AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

[Clarissalarissa]

So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

I don't support the home team, they have none of my values and I can see nothing other than a shared passport that I have in common with them.

Brexit was meant to be better, if we manage to successfully persuade USA and EU to give us a better deal we may end up with a deal as good as we have now.

Happily I am personally very chilled as we are not living in UK as Brexit unfolds its many delights.

being unpatriotic

Im allowed to think that the current government is a bit shit

Thats how democracy works

It doesnt make someone unpatriotic

Rufus I agree , thinking the government is a bit shit and being allowed to say it , is a thoroughly traditional pastime. Those who think we should swear allegiance to whichever overpaid civil servant is redecorating number 10 Downing Street, is far more traitorous to the values of this green and pleasant land.

frumpety

Weird isnt it

My dad hated/hates Blair

Bitched about him the whole time he was in...according to walking that makes him unpatriotic

And he is the most patriotic person i know

If the EU have control of all these regulations that affect the UK then the answer is for us to leave the EU as soon as possible. Otherwise they will control more and more of them. The sooner we regain our sovereignty and start controlling our own regulations the sooner we can end this blackmail to ground all UK aeroplanes.

What the actual fucking fuck?

If the EU grounds all our planes wont that make it easy for Russia to invade us? Is this the EUs punishment for standing up for our rights? It would explain all the Russia bots on here stirring up nonsense of us being 'trapped'.

x2

The EU wont be grounding any planes , the other 27 countries will be free to fly willy nilly around the world at their leisure. The UK government will ground the UK's planes if they don't come up with new agreements very, very soon.

Genuine question , are military planes exempt from the open skies agreement , I presume so ( fingers crossed) ?

Standing up for our rights Classic right there , what rights exactly would you be referring to ?

The Royal family won't be able to go on state visits by plane either I suppose.

But they could go by boat or train or car or swan

Tanith: " "This is going to be like the millennium bug isn’t it?"
No, it's not. People spent a good few years and shedloads of money upgrading software so that we were prepared and it didn't happen.
I was one of those working on it and I remember it well! Months of planning, researching, identifying every single script and program affected - and then the fixes, testing, implementation...

Those quoting the Millennium bug as a non-happening are simply betraying their ignorance and their inability to deal with the facts."

Snap.

Not only will we be trapped in the UK, we'll actually be leaving Europe, and floating far, far away, to the middle of the ocean, marooned and isolated, but FREE!

As for knowing that the EU takes more than it gives @math, there are reports of this nationally. I suppose the best thing for anyone would to be open minded and look at whatever is available Singledadstu

There are also reports of £350 million per week for the NHS, or there used to be. People used to speak of this as if it could actually happen.

The best thing to do would be not to post as fact assertions you do not know to be true.

You could also challenge yourself to ponder whether finding a website to be left of your position and its 'full facts' don't support your opinions automatically means it is inaccurate.

Or do what I am planning to do and go to the US.
Gussy

You're not going to the US either, unless the UK can negotiate a new open skies agreement with the US once it cuts loose from the EU. The agreements the UK has right now with all the countries planes fly to from UK airports are all via the EU. The UK will need to negotiate with every country once Brexit happens, and in many cases, from scratch, with everything to win or lose.

At the moment, the US has offered the UK a really crappy substitute for the US agreement with the EU that is currently enabling British carriers to fly to the US. The US is showing no sign of willingness to do the UK a favour for old times sake on this or any other matter. The business of America is business. Not sentimental attachment to 'special relationships'.

You might yet go to Disneyland or to shop in NYC, etc. But you might find yourself restricted to flying American or United and paying through the nose for the pleasure.

Highly likely that there'll be a similar "easy visa" arrangement between UK and EU too. The more people wanting to travel between countries, the easier it will be made to make it possible
KazzyHoward

I think it will be highly unlikely actually. What's the good of Brexit if the Polish plumbers can apply for holiday visas, arrive and disappear? The whole idea of Brexit was to keep the eastern European riff raff out, right? And what about people granted political asylum? Economic emigrants from Africa now in other EU countries?

If there are to be visas for travel from EU states to the UK, the EU will insist that all EU citizens are treated the same by the Home Office with no fast lane for white Germans/Dutch/French/Danes/Italians/Swedes, etc. and a slower or more cumbersome process for Poles or Slovaks or others from Eastern Europe, or those who arrived in the EU within the last five years.

I have looked at some figures, and it is by no means a shoe-in that Greece, Italy and Spain would be screwed if British tourists stopped visiting.

And nobody is going to North Africa either, without agreements in place with African states. Not just an agreement with the EU.

All air traffic everywhere is governed and regulated by agreements between government aviation authorities.

Which? called on the government to clarify consumer rights and strike an aviation deal as soon as possible. It advised anyone booking a holiday after March 2019 to check cancellation and refund policies – particularly for any elements such as car hire or villa rental booked outside of a package

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/14/uk-holiday-firms-urged-warn-risk-post-brexit-eu-flight-disruption

Russian Bots , hmm , well the thing is Walking , either they are here and have already played a hand in destabilising the country , which no Leaver will ever admit to or they don't exist.

Russian one : ' Comrade , why didn't you come to the last Communist party meeting ?
Russian two : ' If I had known it was the last , I would have brought my whole family'

Ba da tish !

Math, I voted Remain. If Brexit stops me travelling internationally for a short time, I won't die from it. Assuming that only my Irish/EU solves it, I will wait for that to drop on my doormat. If it doesn't solve it and I am "stuck", I will enjoy watching Leavers squirm.

We do not need to leave. The referendum was advisory and not statutory. See "Say No to #brexit".We do not need to continue with this madness.

'Which' is keen to hear from consumers on their views on 'brexit'.
They are focussing on our loss of FOM today.
www.which.co.uk/news/2018/03/brexit-travel-confusion-for-holidaymakers/
campaigns.which.co.uk/brexit/

this is exactly the kind of thing that keeps this whole divide between leavers and remainers..... guess what people we are all leavers now!! we are leaving the EU whether we like it or not. i am not going to say how i voted but i think some people need to GET A GRIP

No. The thing is that leavers seem to think it's still about opinions. Sure, we're leaving. HOW are we working everything out? HOW is it going to be better?

And as a side note if you think saying things like 'get a grip' heals rifts then you might want to have a re-think.

some people still think it is up for debate. its not we are leaving nobody knows exactly how it is going to work out at the moment. causing panic about not being able to travel isnt helpful is it? i said get a grip because panic about something that hasnt happened yet is hardly rational is it now?