AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

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So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

A bun fight? On MN? That would never do.

I would kill for some lemon drizzle cake or bun

From the OP

If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

In my humble opinion flying is and has been far too cheap for a long time. We've seen a huge increase in air travel - this cannot be good for the environment, so if it becomes more expensive, I'll welcome the resultant reduction in emissions and noise.

However, I am highly sceptical that the outcome the OP envisages will actually occur. There are a lot of complex and powerful interests at work and even assuming that the EU will try to punish the UK for Brexit and the deal(s) are impossibly complex, I can't help feeling that the outcome won't be fewer and more expensive flights - as more than one poster has observed downthread, the appearance of a "get out" clause in carrier's terms is not the same as a guarantee they'll be cancelling all (or any) flights.

I can't believe so many people think the EU are of the belief that the EU want to 'punish' the UK. The EU just wants to protect its own members and its member interests will come ahead of people outside the EU. It isn't a matter of punishing, the EU has been super reasonable so far from what I have seen. I think a lot of brexiteers went into this with a superiority complex about the UK's strengths and negotiating position.

It's all very well saying its good for the environment if less planes fly, but its bad for the economy, and its bad for people.

This trope about being punished by the EU is mindbogglingly stupid, and nonsensical. The EU as a whole is just bemused that the UK did something so self defeating and illogical, but they did and now the EU has to work to mitigate the issues it created and protect their members. Brexiteers whining about being punished really just mean that the EU isn't doing their work for them and fixing all the problems that never needed to happen at all. (though they are doing a lot of the work for them and fixing a lot of the problems!)

Sharperthanasharpie

What do you think will happen in relation to the OP's post? Genuine question - what outcome do you envisage in March?

Read my previous responses

t's all very well saying its good for the environment if less[sic] planes fly, but its bad for the economy, and its bad for people.

Certainly fewer flights (assuming that was to happen - far from certain) suggests a loss of economic activity - but we switch from one economic activity to another all the time - 20 years ago we had virtually no renewable energy industry, for example.

This trope about being punished by the EU is mindbogglingly stupid, and nonsensical and yet Lib Dem peers predicted it and warned about it. I was alluding to it as a possibility "even assuming that the EU will try to punish" not a certainty and I wasn't offering an opinion - certainly not a complaint.

The problem with this debate is that some people are so entrenched and divided - desperate to paste "the others" in a poor light.

We have to deal with this and the other issues around Brexit - recriminations based around a perception of people who voted to leave (or remain) won't help us.

The OP asked if it was U to assume we're all going to be trapped in the UK in March - my honest opinion, shared by some other posters, is no.

Would you like me to draw a diagram?

Yes please, that would be lovely, how kind and nice.

Of course not! May be more expensive to fly but that might encourage people to holiday in this country. Don't forget we haven't always been in the EU!

So are there loads of holidays left empty in this country every year

Its just usually everywhere seems full

But all the people who normally go abroad will be able to get a holiday in this country no bother

Is that right?

FYI it's a Venn diagram. Hope that's okay. Glad to be of help.

No we haven't but I struggle to see why people want try and live in the past, I grew up in an ex holiday seaside town and I can't see people being happy to stop going to warm sunny places and staying at home while being rained on. The people who want to do this still can and very few have chosen to do this. Removing choice from people either directly through there being no flights or far more likely through flights being a bit more expensive, currency abroad costing more etc is hardly progress.

Thing is on one side of the debate you have those of us who are concerned about how negotiations are going not just wrt this topic but all of it, posting links and detailing reasons for their stance and on the other there are just comments about 'project fear', 'remoaners', 'lefties' and 'it'll be fine' without any reasoning attached.

Oh, and don't forget 'it was all fine for the millennium' (ignoring the fact that was due to preparation).

The problem with this debate is that some people are so entrenched and divided - desperate to paste "the others" in a poor light

No it isn't. I, like, most, don't care about the others, or whatever light they are in (which is the one they shine on themselves, I don't need to paint brexiteers in a bad light, they are already in it!). We care about the issues and problems, and are frustrated when people just keep claiming "everything is fine, you are hysterical for raising the issues". We need to DO something, a lot of somethings, or else there will be a disaster.

But when idiots keep claiming it all in hand and nothing needs to be talked about, is it any wonder we get angry? Leave voters dumped us all in a shitty position and won't discuss the problems they made, or acknowledge they exist. If they do they claim "vested interests" will sort it all out.
It's infuriating. Like trying to reason with a toddler.

But surely post Brexit Apocolypse no-one will have any money to go anywhere anyway?
Maybe those with gardens and paddling pools will be able to charge entrance and subsidise their meagre income that way.
(Eyes my garden and wonders how many sunbeds I can fit in)

I have to admit I do rather like 'it will sort itself out' theory , I currently have no hot water , should I

A. pay for an expert to come and sort the issue out

Or

B. Wait until it the issue sorts itself out

From an economic point of view I prefer B.

YABU!
Ryanair and Thomas Cook are not the only airlines and the majority aren’t even based in Europe.
Shock, horror!!! There are other places to visit OUTSIDE Europe.
Last year our family had 2 weeks All Inclusive in Morocco for the same price as the same time in Spain.
Try something different it will broaden your perspective.

Shock, horror!!! There are other places to visit OUTSIDE Europe. Last year our family had 2 weeks All Inclusive in Morocco for the same price as the same time in Spain. Try something different it will broaden your perspective

Uh-huh. But since the issue is planes leaving the UK. how are you going to get to Morocco? A boat?

frumperty you are already paying for ‘experts’ to sort this stuff out through your taxes. So you can sit back and have a biscuit.

frumperty people have had enough of experts! That is why we have we have to leave it to our current leaders to sort out.

people have had enough of experts is that a joke?

This thread is hilarious. I can’t tell what is real opinion and what is parody.

Yes, but actually no.

People are sick of experts, instead preferring pundits and donkeys on social media to provide their insight and analysis!