AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

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So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

If other private airlines put in such a clause as a chain reaction, and I wasn't prepared to suck it up, I would plan a Top Gear-esque road trip to continental europe. Or do what I am planning to do and go to the US.

My travel insurance was underwritten by a Spanish firm, as I suspect a good many policies were. I wonder what will happen to that?

backinthebox thanks for your rational post re air travel, at least someone is talking from a position of knowledge. I just feel that there are some on here just desperate for everything to fail, to have all planes grounded in a years time, everything to go tits up so that they can say told you so.
Oh... and I am a Remainer and I fly to a part of Europe lots and have no doubt that will continue and while I'm there I'll be roaming for free. Is there any point to this thread, because unless you have the ear of Hammond or May, I doubt it...
I wish the vote had gone the other way, I think it will cost the UK dearly for quite a while but I'm not so doom laden as some on here.

Judging by posts on here there may well be some hiccups. Then it will sort itself out. I voted Remain for all sorts of reasons. Avoiding this wasn't one of them.
If you really cared that much, let's hope you voted to avoid it.

Is there any point to this thread, because unless you have the ear of Hammond or May,

I read that and thought what has Top Gear / The Grand Tour got to do with this ?

But yes I'm sure your anecdote from your personal experience trumps data from our national tourist board

Oh dont be silly

The OP is obviously talking about her place of work...her place of work is suffering and if there are problems with flights they may fold

She wasnt talking about the whole of the tourist industry

Haven’t read the full thread - it seems very long and panicky

You obviously havent read much at all as there is no panic

Will the leavers be apologising to the remainers or the remainers apologising to the leavers

It would be nice

But I doubt it

I never give facts (as i dont know any) so i cant be held to anything, but those that have will have forgotten in 5/10 years...and loads of people namechange

Oh plopsie

Bold fail

Do I think we will all be stranded in the UK? no
Do I think there could be some initial problems and possible blips getting planes off the ground? Quite possibly yes (because the govt is woefully unprepared)
Do I think any issues would be long term in nature? No
Do I think insurance companies would cover me for any blips? No (because they don't want to cover anything, generally)
Do I think businesses will put clauses in to cover this to cover their ass? Yes

I can't understand how anyone could see this differently, whether remainer or leaver, its just common sense whatever side of the fence you sit on surely?

backinthebox thanks for your rational post re air travel, at least someone is talking from a position of knowledge

Rousette I responded to this post earlier. The option back speaks about is considerably less good than the current arrangements and doesn't cover many of the routes airlines fly out of the UK at the moment as well as raising questions over acceptance of regulations. I posted a link that explains it.

I agree with sharper

Exactly my view

I have friends with permanent residency in Germany who avoid the uk anyway as being non eu Nationals it’s not worth the hassle going through the visa process for somewhere a bit rainy and expensive when they have The whole Of Europe to choose from. They’ve got the money just not the times me or urge to take a day off work to faff around at the embassy. Visa issues will be a huge put off and make a considerable dent on tourism to the uk.

Phew, when we are all holidaying in the U.K. as we’re trapped it will be a relief to know those Germans will be holidaying elsewhere.

Do may Europeans holiday in the UK? I mean, why would you? A visit to London, sure, but apart from that.....

Do may Europeans holiday in the UK? I mean, why would you? A visit to London, sure, but apart from that.....

Well, we see a huge amount of "foreigners" in the Lake District, not only from Europe but from all over the world, likewise plenty of foreigners in Edinburgh last time I went. London is just one of the many places that foreigners go to see in the UK.

Visa issues will be a huge put off and make a considerable dent on tourism to the uk.

Given the huge number of non EU visitors to the UK, it doesn't seem to put them off so why would it put off EU residents? That's IF there is even a costly/time consuming VISA requirement anyway. People say it's hard to get a VISA for the USA but I've never had a problem - just a quick and easy online form, a relatively modest payment online, and then a form to fill in on arrival - what's hard about that?

" The UK won’t fail post Brexit simply because it would be far too costly if it did. Teresa May could have took her pension and retired to the Bahamas, she’s staying to get us the best deal. She must know something or she would have gone ages ago and took the easy option."

REALLY???? It won't fail because it would be far too costly? That is the same as saying "I will never have a car crash because it could kill me". That is certainly logical.....

What if she loves masochism? Do you know? She already wears chains around her neck regularly.....

She must know something

Theresa May is spectacularly lacking in vision, imagination and political nous. She decided to run the most unnecessary and damaging election campaign in living memory. She got into bed with the DUP either genuinely not anticipating or just refusing to see what problems it would cause. She cannot talk about Brexit except in rigid and meaningless terms.

If she knows something I'll eat one of her ugly necklaces.

KazzyHoward...

That’s because the UK and US have an easy visa arrangement.

If you’re Ukrainian for example living in Germany, you have to travel to Berlin to the uk embassy and spend a day going through an application process, pay around £100 and then have a very real chance of arbitrary rejection. If you want to go to Spain you just go.

In theory, post Brexit all Europeans would have the same status to the UK as Ukrainians do and without deals like the us one, would face the same process.

Clearer?

Personally, especially if she loses the Tory party leadership, I think May will be gone after the next election, assuming this comes in 2022.

Feel we had exactly this type of uncertainty with the millennium and we are still here , so if unsure dont buy advance tickets etc, but dont think panic achieves any thing

The millennium issue has been addressed twice 🙄

Precise for you as you seem to require it.
With the millennium nearly everyone prepared for it, made adjustments and had a plan for the worst case scenario.

Brexit has none of that so far.
That's the issue here, particularly as negotiations have stalled over the Irish border.

Once again just parroting "it'll be ok" won't make it ok. Those who have responsibility to implement this aren't doing so in anywhere near a responsible or timely manner.

Bishop are you a journalist? Or a parliamentarian? You seem to know exactly what’s going on and where, I just wondered if you had inside knowledge.