AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

[Clarissalarissa]

So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

Ba ha ha ha ha at this thread

yeah, the ignorance is hilarious, it its own way.

This thread is hugely depressing. I did think that some leave voters might have taken on board over the last year or so at least some of the problems we are facing but it appears not. Genuinely just so fucking depressed at the lack of ability to even engage with the issues.

I wonder whether travel insurers, like the travel companies listed on this thread, will start to insert clauses in that policy that don't pay out for Brexit-related losses.

If so, that's no more holidays abroad for me in the foreseeable future (until the dust settles post-march) as I will not be prepared to foot the loss of my entire holiday.

Haven’t read the full thread - it seems very long and panicky. Has anyone mentioned the Chicago Convention and the 5 Freedoms of the Air yet?

I’m a pilot, not one of the very cleverest I will admit. But even the very cleverest of my colleagues aren’t worried about any of this stuff. Aviation by British airlines to Europe and by other airlines through U.K. airspace will continue.

We are wondering if after Brexit we will be required to comply with EASA’s looser restrictions on flying hour limits or if we can have our stricter CAA limits back. Europe permits longer hours at the controls than the caa used to allow.

I’m a Remainer, FWIW.

Figment the pound is not going to suddenly sink in March. Brexit has already been significantly priced into the exchange rate.

Maybe Baldrick was a prophet of life after Brexit??
😬
Baldrick: In that case, I shall prepare my Turnip Surprise.
Edmund: and the surprise is…?
Baldrick: …there’s nothing else in it except the turnip.
Edmund: So, in other words, the Turnip Surprise would be…a turnip.

The Turnip that is the EU.

pawpatrolearworm Mon 12-Mar-18 22:40:54
Snork, have you understood that this is not about ryanair and MO'L, but a huge concern to the whole industry and an actual real problem?

Paw, have you understood that you're completely and utterly taken in?

Just look at the tourism statistics from the government and VisitBritain etc.

Anyway, we won't agree and it doesn't matter. Time will show that just like the threats when we voted, correctly, as a country to not join the euro debacle, the new threats are as fake as the old ones.

Gosh even thinking back to those times is laughable. Every large firm promised to pull of the UK and we were going to hell in a handcart. We of course, didn't and none of them carried though with their empty threats.

If tiny countries can survive outside the eu, so can we. It's incredible to think otherwise. If the pound sits lower at the moment, then that's just its natural level anyway.

Branson and Blair are absolutely desperate to stay in. That's enough to prove there's something fishy about the eu alone.

Luckily, the eu will fall apart naturally as more and more citizens of other countries begin to realise that the eu is a racket, anyway making the whole thing moot.

Of course we can survive outside of the eu but we were thriving inside it so why would we give that up for survival. We are going to be poorer as a nation even the government pushing this through thinks this.

The firms are going, Snork. They're just don't it on the quiet at the moment.

I'm not taken in by anything other than reality. You are delusional:

Every large firm promised to pull of the UK and we were going to hell in a handcart. We of course, didn't and none of them carried though with their empty threats

None of them did? Goldman Sachs, Digeo, Barclays, Deutsche bank, and many more. Dozens of financial firms pulling out of London and moving to Dublin, Brussels, Paris. This is already happening. Business has been lost, contracts have been lost, a brain drain has started and its only the tip of the iceberg.

I know your head is wedged in the sand but you can still hear the pounding footsteps of the people running away from the UK.

*doing

backinthebox Interesting that you think that as a pilot. As I understand it, membership of the ECAA allows for nine freedoms, not five, so falling back on the old arrangements would have a significant impact. More seriously, leaving the ECAA means leaving their regulatory framework and assuming all regulation under the CAA in the UK. There is no compulsion on other international regulators to accept these, although I assume the UK would adopt exactly the same regulations as the EU as it would be foolish not to.

Good report by the institute for government on the possible options www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/european-common-aviation-area-ecaa-brexit-explained

Of course we can survive outside of the eu but we were thriving inside it so why would we give that up

I think the issue was some people were flourishing but some weren't and didn't feel like anyone was listening to them.

And they still won't be listened to and things will most likely get worse for them according to Government reports.

...are you saying that there are actual accounts that are signed off ?

There must be actual accounts, Singledadstu.

Otherwise how would you be able to assert with such confidence that the UK paid in more than it ever got out?

Clarissalarussa. You seem to be quite confrontational with the posters on here. Have you thought about confronting someone in the gov with your questions?

Micheal O’Leary is having one of his periodic hissy fits and is in no way to be taken seriously.

To answer the first question with respect, as I think concerns need to be addressed, there is no need to worry about freedom of movement as it is not in the interest of Europeans to refuse sterling when the Euro is so moribund.

There might well be some teething problems over initial Brexit arrangements but they will sort themselves out.

Remember that the UK was the second biggest contributor to the EU and that is why it is desperate to keep us in the club. UK citizens are civilised, welcome visitors who behave themselves and spend their cash. Their absence would make a hole in Euro economies that it would be difficult to fill otherwise when many EU countries are trying to deter unwelcome visitors as it is.

Necessity is the mother of invention and we will adjust to new circumstances. Things might actually be much better.

@irene thank you for the FullFact link tho I was aware of them. I do read some of their stuff but I also find a lot of it is bias (left of politics) and also EU fan. Which doesn’t bode well for actual facts. I’m sure if I needed too I could quite quickly find a link that disproves their claims but reasoning allows me to see that report would be bias to the right.
As for knowing that the EU takes more than it gives @math, there are reports of this nationally. I suppose the best thing for anyone would to be open minded and look at whatever is available

Voted Remain. Of course we can travel wherever we like. If a private company wants insert some dumb clause to get out of a contract, go with another private company that doesn't.

Just out of interest Vicky pryce has just been on the news saying how the world market is growing . It’s not all doom and gloom.
Since we know AIBU are profoundly forever, how will all proceed when the result of “being out there on our own” is actually realised in 5/10 years time ? Will the leavers be apologising to the remainers or the remainers apologising to the leavers or will we just continue arguing and passing Moreno insults ?

Good to hear (not) that the potential for another outbreak of Civil War in N Ireland, which could happen if the Good Friday Agreement is not adhered to is, 'a teething problem'.

As for 'civilised, welcome visitors' - there are plenty of tourist hot spots in Spain who would be only too glad to see the back of the lager louts and the hen and stag parties.

Gussy , I think if two major private companies in a sector insert a Brexit clause then the rest will probably follow , on the insistence of their insurers .

In fact others may have already done it , but have chosen to be less vocal about it ? I would advise reading the small print on both your travel documents and insurance documents and not travelling without a hefty amount of credit at your disposal.