AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

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So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

Do many Europeans holiday in the UK? yes - speaking from a very sunny Belfast. There are many many Europeans holidaying here at the minute. Lots more to the U.K. apart from London

Bishop was specifically answering about the millenium bug and pointed out, as anyone who bothered to read the whole thread could see, that the millenium bug didn't cause the expected problems because of the time and money spent addressing the issue. Which is not like Boris Johnson's silly nonsense about i Brexit being like the millenium bug, or the Irish border issue being in any way comparable to the congestion charge between two London borough. The face that people in Government can talk such arrant nonsense, just helps to demonstrate how woefully prepared they all are.

So many of you seem to be really knowledgable though about exactly what’s going on. I know there are lots of journalists on MN so I don’t know if some of you really do have privileged information or are just speculating from what’s being leaked to the public?

That’s because the UK and US have an easy visa arrangement.

Highly likely that there'll be a similar "easy visa" arrangement between UK and EU too. The more people wanting to travel between countries, the easier it will be made to make it possible.

I've been to Israel, Egypt, Africa, China, Australia, America and Canada and found none of those particularly troublesome to travel to despite them being outside the EU! Just filling in a simple/short form and sometimes paying a relatively small fee.

Kazzy that’s a far too reasonable response for this thread. Be off with you!

It't not reasonable, because you don't know what will happen with visas. Nobody does.
Lots of people can't get visas easily, just because you can doesn't mean much.

Well done PawPatrol that’s more like it. WE ARE ALL DOOMED.

Actually I’m shitting myself more about global warming and the risk of a worldwide avian flu pandemic than I am about how long it will take to get through passport control

Who said we are doomed?

These are actual problems that people have very good reasons to be concerned about. If you are not concerned about them, just move on and be happy that you don't need to worry. Don't tell people they are stupid for being concerned about things that directly impact their lives.

And laughing at them is really just twatty.

Your posts are incredible sleepfree!

You said you don't discuss politics or current affairs in real life and You were suspicious of those who did on here, suspecting Russian bots. now you think anyone who has a bit of basic general knowledge is either a journalist or a parliamentarian!!

So funny.

Nope not a journo. Or parliamentarian.
Just presenting info that is out there in the public domain. We're currently in a situation where negotiations have stalled completely because of the Irish border issue. If we put in the EU required hard border between NI and the Republic it will breach the Good Friday Agreement and risk instability in Ireland. If we don't Brexit negotiations don't resume and we're cannonballing towards March 2019 without a plan, without negotiations. It's genuinely frightening.

None of this is inside info, it's all out there.

SleepFree it's a lot more than passport control.

It's all air travel - passenger, freight, mail. It's the good in the supermarkets, consumables in the shops.

It's about how much imports and exports will cost us now and how much it will cost our trading partners and whether or not we will be able to compete or trade in the global market.

It's employment rights and human rights - our prime minister has indicated that she would like to remove all of these.

It's about how easy it will be to travel and work within the EU for us and how easy it will be for those from the EU to travel and work here - bearing in mind the level of staff in the NHS for example that are not British. Ditto farming - lots of people from the EU work in the farming industry and in care homes.

It's about a lot more too but I don't have time to type it all.

You said you were definitely not bots and I (sort of) believe you. So the question STILL is, are any of you who are gloomily prophesying on here in receipt of special information or just the same stuff that everyone is reading?

Most of my friends aren’t particularly political it’s true, my father was but he has sadly recently died, I do read a lot about what’s going on but it seems dependant on
whether it has a right or left bias. I know many many posters on here are left wing and staunch remainers. So I do take these threads with a pinch of salt.

And yep i know everything is going to get a hell of a lot more expensive, I’ve donned that particular tin foil hat already.

I know many many posters on here are left wing and staunch remainers. So I do take these threads with a pinch of salt

The facts of the matter don't change depending on the bias. The interpretation does, but you don't even understand what the issues are, never mind peoples opinions on them.

I don't see things in terms of left/right bias. I'm strongly left wing but know some to the right who share my concerns. There are Eurosceptics on either side of the political divide and even those who are right wing Labour who are europhiles (see T Blair).

It doesn't have to be a doom laden prophecy. Things can be done to cushion the blow but our economy and living situation will worsen after Brexit. It could be eased slightly if our elected representatives got on with it, formulated a plan. But they're not.

Sadly I have no faith in the team doing this. Handled correctly it'd be not the best but we could get through it. As it stands we're looking at a shitstorm.

The tourism industry in this country is going to suffer a massive hit. It's already suffering now, as the UK has destroyed its previously good public image.

Like the drunken brits abroad image etc

And yes people do travel outside the EU often so I can't see there being an issue. I intend to book a June 19 holiday this year and Brexit hysterics won't alter that plan.

We do have an appalling reputation abroad.

Highly likely that there'll be a similar "easy visa" arrangement between UK and EU too. The more people wanting to travel between countries, the easier it will be made to make it possible.

You, and I can certainly hope so, but given the lack of progress around te most pressing issues I’m not holding my breath. An arrangement has to be negotiated, and they haven’t even managed to think about how they’re going to ensure imports of basic goods and food, and presumeably will be further down the list of priorities.

I am quite sure that visa arrangements could be made, but the rules governing them won't write themselves. Both or all sides will have to sit down and agree the terms. Is this happening yet? It seems unlikely because the Tory party can't even agree as to what sort of Brexit they want, never mind sit down to start slogging through detailed agreements.

Cross post with Ofitck.

I think the Tories went into this assuming we’d get a ‘special snowflake’ agreement and were pretty shocked that the EU were unimpressed. So now we’re still trying to get something a little bit ‘extra’ and of course we have Angela Merkel absolutely pissing herself about it. I suspect we are going to have to beg for extra time to sort this shit out.

Well yeah, a lot of people who are worried about brexit are remainers but that doesn't make them Russian bots, journalists or parliamentarians. I don't get why you are suggesting that.
In fact remainers are less likely to be Russian bots than leavers.

As for left wingers, again I don't know where you are getting that from. Many right wingers are remainers too, as I'm sure you know.

I heard Brian Stratton, balpa gen sec talk about this at the TUC in sept and I don't get the impression things have moved on much from them. Planes will not be allowed to take off and land from the uk if no deal is reached by March 2019. No scaremongering though. Stratton reported that expert civil servants are keen to get things done to make flying work post-brexit and to engage with balpa, but the problem is lack of any direction from the decision makers in government. No change there sadly, 5 months on.

Much from then - not them! Sorry.