AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

[Clarissalarissa]

So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

Rhyl will also suffer badly in Brexit. It has a reputation as a crap town because it is extremely deprived. There are many people there who are on benefits, who have been squeezed even further by this horrible government and who have nothing to gain from Brexit. It has also benefited massively from EU investment, like many Welsh towns, and I fear for the future of many Welsh towns when EU funding dries up. Many people in Wales voted for Brexit because they had been squeezed to the limit by austerity and saw Brexit as a way to make things better. It won't. And holiday makers from the Home Counties won't flock to Rhyl when they can't get to Marbella.

@singledad, it didn't fall from its throne because of the EU but because the UK prospered as part of the EU and people could afford cheap holidays to the continent. If anything, the EU has propped it up.

Use your intellect (and your extra digit) to argue facts. Your post doesn’t actually say anything in reality does it ?

It was a fairly accurate analysis of what your empty platitude really means.

Plenty of facts from me and many others earlier in the thread. Not really to the taste of the ‘it will all be fine, I went to Spain in 1972!’ posters, sadly.

But if we’re sticklers for facts and accuracy, it’s Jassy. Poor old Nancy Mitford.

The UK needs to sort out the regulatory frame work to allow UK based airlines to fly into the EU and beyond, atm we use the EU negotiated ones, sure we used to travel about before hand but air travel just wasnt the thing it is now, i mean who every heard of a 1980's EasyJet ?

Its not tourism that will drive a new agreement but EU/UK business.

So, i dont know how many people have noticed the low stocks of food in Super markets this week, after 2 days of snow a week ago but it goes to show how even a tiny bit of disruption affects supply chains and will no-doubt affect all international travel as we depart the EU but i have hi hopes, the Government has spent over £2 billion (doesn't inc on going pension costs) on employing 1000s of new civil servants to ensure Brexit goes smoothly, whats not too like?

It will just be more bureaucratic and more expensive to travel to the EU - that's all.

And as we voted to become a lone wolf state we can hardly complain!

Glumglowworm - yes because they negotiated an agreement with the EU not with the UK, which is very different. The EU have been negotiating deals for year with regards to their airspace - good luck to the UK starting out on that.

Where I went in Wales was lovely, didn’t seem overly touristy which might of helped. I don’t like Skegness type holidays.

Exactly Todayissunny - no movement agreement has been agreed and it cannot be until they sort the boarder between Northern Ireland and the Republic - no hard border for the sake of the peace process and yet it can't be a soft border for this very issue.

Viva I'm not running the tourism and most of the people I know in the holiday accommodation sector voted Remain.
That doesn't change the facts that they experienced a strong 2017 or that the industry projections are mainly positive. Search the reports and you should be able to answer your own questions.
This need to assume allegiances and attack is a disservice to the seriousness of the issues.But perhaps I was being optimistic expecting a higher standard of debate on a thread like this. I'll stick my business networks for serious discussions.

Ohnomoresnow- have you actually read anything about the jobs from top London banks moving to Paris - Luxembourg - Frankfurt - Warsaw- Amsterdam and yes most people hate bankers and I don't blame them- however they do pay 40-45% tax and so their revenue is needed to help fund the less well off parts of the UK and the NHS. London pays one third of all UK tax - what happens when that starts to fall.

You are missing the oint winnie.
The fact that tourism has been strong in 2017 doesn’t say nothing as to whether it will string after March 2019.
Because tourism being strong in 2017 is linked with the weak pound.
Whereas after March 2019, and a WTO brexit, there will be so many issues to solve, incl flights, possible visas, border control, simply having staff, that it’s very likely it will not carry on.
You are talking about the past (which I agree with btw). I’m talking abiut the future, which is the point if this thread (with its links with the no flight scenario)

Winnie - can you explain how foreign tourists will come to the EU if no planes are allowed to fly here (and no, they won't all come by ferry)?
And you are not differentiating between UK tourists and tourists from other parts of the EU. Many Brits are holidaying in the UK now, because of the fall in the pound. Many will holiday here in 2018, that's for sure.
In the future, no doubt planes will fly to the UK. But it will be more expensive and it will take longer to get through customs, and there may be the hassle and expense of obtaining a visa. And EU citizens will not enjoy the many benefits they get when they holiday in the EU - reciprocal healthcare, no roaming charges, etc etc. They will also not feel as welcome in the UK (they already feel less welcome now). If you read the foreign press, you will know that there have been a lot of articles about EU people here being abused for not being British, about how badly the UK is behaving over Brexit, etc. We have thrown away our reputation. That is affecting tourism, and will do so in the future. Why wouldn't it? There are plenty of easier, and friendlier places to go.

I'm not just talking about the past Viva. If you read my original post, it includes reports with projections going forward.

The projections were made after the Brexit vote (so the reports are anticipating the impact of Brexit) and I was surprised how positive they were. They do highlight the visa and airline issues but don't see them as insurmountable.

It's why I was surprised the OP had read such different stats and why I was asking which industry reports she had read.

I'm not here to argue the ideology of Brexit. I worked in the travel industry for a while and used to keep abreast of the monthly trend reports across Europe for investors and corporate newsletters.

Go on holiday in the UK - problem solved.

Go on holiday in the UK - problem solved

Not particularly practical

Unless we all house swap

Clarissa I didn't confuse EU tourists and UK tourists. If you do work in the industry (no matter which niche) you will know the monthly reports give breakdowns by country and region.
Since you mention foreign press, am I to assume that is your source and not industry reports after all?

Someone above expressed the hope that our politicians will negotiate Brexit well.

Is that comment for real? Where have they been for the past year.

May and her crew couldn’t negotiate their way out of a paper bag!!!!!!

The ignorance by some posters on this thread is astounding

Some things quoted on here are just not true. For instance.. roaming charges. It is not been said that free roaming will be scrapped without fail. And already Three and Vodafone have pledged to carry on with the free roaming.

Well, if certain posters could dial back the personal insults

When the fish get into the barrell and yell "shoot me". its hard to restrain oneself!

Roussette, but they can say that now, whilst they legally have to.In the future they can do anything they want. It's good marketing isn't it?

For instance.. roaming charges. It is not been said that free roaming will be scrapped without fail.

May said in her most recent speech that the UK is leaving the EU digital single market - which required data roaming charges to be scrapped.

The Department for Culture, Media and Sport has now confirmed to Sky News that this would likely entail the restoration of roaming charges, unless a deal could be reached.

All down to negotiation again.

@jassy I deliberately misspelled it . Just as you deliberately misquoted me

@sharper, I didn’t say it fell because of the EU .i said hopefully people will return there for their holidays which was a thought I’d had while I’d mused about the Brits not being abroad

Plus many welsh towns have benefited from EU funding
Which is odd as the EU has benefited from the taxpayer at larger amounts