AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

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So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

Spain and Greece do need Brits tourism. If they don’t well sod them, there’s other cheaper places to visit including Norh African countries ir Tunisia, Egypt.
Thomas Cook and other such companies are within their rights to warn us about March 2019 but all they are really doing is putting off potential customers and ultimately putting themselves out of business,

I doubt the UK Government would enter a deal with the EU which would make it difficult for Brits to go abroad to EU countries. If that happens then the EU workers in the UK wouldn’t have the right to remain here (that’s another big issue I know) which would cause uproar. Trust me.
We’ll still be going to Majorca post Summer 2019!!

Honestly OP, what a pile of shit. Are they all trapped in Switzerland and Norway. Decaying in their own little Hell Holes? No? That's right. Get a grip.

TBH I could give a stuff if I couldn't do a cheap package holiday next year. But I am seriously worried that it may be impossible to get a decent avocado !!!!! FFS do you really think ALL planes will be grounded - what will happen to urgent mail etc stop being so ridiculous. If plane traffic is slowed there will be far more serious stuff that is impacted than a few package holidays to Spain.

Trust you? You still haven't grasped the question!

Are they all trapped in Switzerland and Norway.

No, but then Norway and Switzerland haven’t just pissed away all their aviation memberships and treaties.

I doubt the UK Government would enter a deal with the EU which would make it difficult for Brits to go abroad to EU countries. If that happens then the EU workers in the UK wouldn’t have the right to remain here (that’s another big issue I know) which would cause uproar. Trust me.

So the airline industry is deeply worried, the civil service is worried, the Bof E is worried, most businesses are worried, John Major, Tony Blair, Vince Cable, Kenneth Clarke, Heseltine, Mandleson, the Millibands, etc, etc, ALL deeply worried, but we should trust some numpty on the internet who thinks, mate, Spain and Greece need our tourism, it'll be fab.

Its incredible how people think they're an expert while they're spouting utter shit.

It's embarrassing how stupid some people are who've presumably been through some form of schooling in the UK.

I look forward to feeling British again rather than an European

Jesus H. People and their feelings.

So lets try to answer the question then....... The EU repeal bill wrote all EU law and agreements into UK legislation therefore nothing has changed from a content or risk basis that would lead an airline to think that there was any issue flying over UK airspace from day 1 to day 2. So I am trying to understand what the OP thought would be different between the 28th May 2019 and the 29th May 2019. All our regulations, training, qualifications, etc will be exactly the same as they were the day before so nothing material has changed - what is the added risk or issue that the OP sees to an airline flying through UK airspace that was not there the day before?

Donut Norway and Switzerland are part of the ECAA. We won't be after Brexit unless we can include it as part of the negotiations, which so far we have failed to do anything about.

That's what the whole thread is about!

he EU repeal bill wrote all EU law and agreements into UK legislation therefore nothing has changed from a content or risk basis that would lead an airline to think that there was any issue flying over UK airspace from day 1 to day 2

That is completely untrue. In fact it is so far from the truth that I can;t imagine you have a straight face while typing it.

It’s scare mongering at its peak. I was staying In Benidorm on a short break last week when dreary o Leary announced hi st ludicrous idea of bankrupting his own company. I counted hundreds of rooms of hotels that were just in my line of sight. I calculated crudely that within one week those rooms would bring in around half a million pounds just in room bookings. Is it possible calculating all of Spain and the Canary Islands that their own government might be relying on Billions of pounds of revenue just off British holiday makers ? Would you be the politician that kills The Spanish economy by agreeing with o Leary ?

Is it April Fools day?

I can hardly bear to read this stuff. It seems we are still so divided. Leavers still seem to believe that there will be no problems and even if there are, they'll be minor and it will all be worth it anyway. Oh and 'dont worry about it'

I am personally still devastated by the decision to leave. There are numerous far reaching implications for me, dh and our 3 dcs; not least the loss of the rights to live and work in the EU that my children were born with and will now have taken away without any compensation.

My DD, for example, will literally be unable to leave the UK for more than 16 days. She requires complex IV medication daily, which is prepared and delivered to our house every 2 weeks. It has limited shelf life, 3 weeks maximum. We take it with us in a fridge when we drive on holiday, but can't ship it & will no longer have the right to apply for funding for it to be prepared in another country, so no chance she could study for 6 months in France, spend a month travelling through Europe etc. We still have no idea how much travel insurance will be for her once we no longer have the same reciprocal healthcare agreement.

Not to mention the changes in the reciprocal recognition of testing and approval of drugs and therefore the access to new drugs for dd.

I could go on but I'm sure people will say it's all in my mind/everything will be ok.

So if leaving the EU was going to be such a disaster then why give a referendum?
Of course most MPs and businesses don’t want us to leave the EU they have a vested in us not to.
As for quoting John Major and Tony Blair well I for one couldn’t care what they say. One was a boring grey man who looked more like an accountant, the latter was a borderline lunatic who killed thousands of people indirectly.

So if leaving the EU was going to be such a disaster then why give a referendum?

Maybe they overestimated your intelligence? Nobody thought you'd actually do something so bloody stupid!

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We do all know o Leary wants to stay within the EU and anything he says will be with that bias
Sort of how JD Wetherspoon owner claims everything will be great after Brexit. Because his bias is to leave the EU

I said trust me on an earlier post. I was talking about the right of EU citizens not being allowed to remain in the UK post 2019. I said there would be uproar if they were told they couldn’t stay. That’s why I said trust me.
As usual people misread posts on here and jump to their own conclusions. Idiots.

O'Leary will stay within the EU. He's Irish. Ryanair is based in Dublin🙄

This thread makes me want to smash my head off a wall in complete frustration.

Still, people are trotting out the line that we used to travel before the EU and it was fine... and the 'they need our business, mate' one and "it's all scaremongering, innit", despite there being actual facts linked to on this actual thread.

Jesus Christ, what have we done. If you weren't taking me down with you, I'd think we deserved everything we bloody well get.

Because it was part of the Tory manifesto. When Cameron got in he was under massive pressure to stick with his promise, so he gave the people what they wanted. I think it would have been fine actually but it coincided with the massive press coverage about swathes of immigrants arriving in boats and Europe demanding we took our quota. I honestly think this was a tipping point and after the recession no one felt charitable anymore.

yes Jacob rees mogg, farage, Davis and Johnson have always looked after the w/c people.

Unbelievable.

Oh and single did it not occur to you that those rooms will be occupied by many nationalities, not just Brits?

Lot of leave bashers on mumsnet. Must be liberals who also hate the old white men with the same passion as their leader
I could say “I’m not racist” but I couldn’t give two hoots what remain voters think about me. There was a very democratic vote and us that voted leave added up to more than those that voted stay.
Don’t doubt my intelligence, and ffs stop doubting your country. We need to move forward United in the goal of improving the future for our next generation with the tools we have . Stop MOANING and you’ll loose that stupid tag

So if leaving the EU was going to be such a disaster then why give a referendum?

Because Cameron was a prize idiot. The man who thought he'd be good at being Prime Minister was only interested in shutting up his right wingers, which he failed to do, didn't have the sense to prepare for both options, and didn't realise how many people were happy to give him a kick in the teeth.

If he had had the sense to look what would happen with a Leave vote then he might have started to list things like aviation agreements, imports of medicines, etc. But again he might not, because leaving the CU and SM is May's interpretation of leaving - going for the EEA option would also be leaving, and solve most problems but she ruled that out.