AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

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So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

I'm not sure why the comparison with the millennium bug is so prevalent among Brexitteers.

I mean - I guess its to say: here's a moment in history when people were worried but it turned out to be less dramatic than they previously thought.

Is that the idea?

But to transfer that situation onto every situation where people are worried seems a bit...stupid.

There are of course occasions when people were worried but it turned out to be far more dramatic than the previously feared. (First and second WW are easy examples here)

So you could equally compare those as well?

No?

Or maybe you could look at the information on a case-by-case basis, look at the evidence, listen to the experts and then have a more informed opinion.

Helmetbymidnight no, that's far too rational and clear minded. (I've been told off for comparing Brexit to WW2 so I'll desist from further comment on that bit).

*This is going to be like the millennium bug isn’t it?"

No, it's not. People spent a good few years and shedloads of money upgrading software so that we were prepared and it didn't happen.

I was one of those working on it and I remember it well! Months of planning, researching, identifying every single script and program affected - and then the fixes, testing, implementation*

But not every company did all that and seemed to progress into 2000 without a hitch.

But not every company did all that and seemed to progress into 2000 without a hitch.

Those who didn't prepare and had problems as a result, are hardly going to have shouted it from the rooftops are they?

Some of us do know what we are talking about when it comes to what was called the Y2K work, but hey, we were experts, and the country has had enough of experts. Not preparing led to silly examples, like the 104 year old sent a letter about enrolling for nursery school, apparently a true example, because only the last two years of the woman's birthday were recorded, so the fact that the date was 100 years out was missed.

“But not every company did all that and seemed to progress into 2000 without a hitch.”

Which companies were these?

I'd also like to know which companies did feck all to prepare and if the government has since rewarded them by taking their advice on Brexit, because that would explain a lot.

Liney, couldn't agree more. It's sickening. Especially the fact they got it through Parliament by saying it was advisory.

For all the people saying Spain etc won't want to miss out on British money, if really encourage you to read the Irish coverages of Brexit.

Generally the attitude is bemused the UK has shot itself in the foot and concern we're going to be screwed in the process. Nobody here wants to punish the UK for leaving, we have literally the most to lose of any trading partner, and our newspapers are in English so it's quite easy to see what people think.

But the reality is: there needs to be a real
Solution to the NI border. People saying 'the EU don't need to put one up/are scaremongering' fail to realise the WTO will require one.

There needs to be a solution to Open Skies- I'm sure that Ireland, which has more crossings with the UK than any other two independent states in the world, would like
to bloody ignore it if possible but we have to follow international regulations, insurance requirements, etc etc.

We are sitting here waiting and wondering for the British government to pull their tiger out. The timescales are ridiculous at this point. There is a growing fear that the UK will crash out.

Nobody in Europe wants this, but at the same time nobody is going to roll over and had Theresa May whatever she wants to avoid the U.K. leaving without any deal. But it really isn't about punishment, or vengeance- this hugely complicated international infrastructure may not have existed 40 years ago but it does now, and globally, nobody gets to opt out and everybody needs alternatives.

Even before the referendum, warnings were being given that 2 years was not long enough to negotiate everything required.

The thread title and OP ("trapped", "UK-only holiday") are OTT. But the point - that an Open Skies agreement isn't ready and doesn't look like it will be in time - is right.

It seems like that in lots of areas (visa-free travel, open skies, customs union to name a few) the detailed work hasn't even started as they haven't got the agreement yet. So companies are now moving to protect themselves against Brexit in the way they do against acts of god, etc. Because come March 2019, nobody knows what the fuck the actual position will look like.

How long can the Tories continue with this Emperor-has-no-clothes shit show?

We have quite literally booked a 10 day holiday to Greece for next October and there was not a word mentioned or any clauses pointed out to us

Cerse - businesses don't usually point out those kinds of clauses. I suggest you read the small print.

We have quite literally booked a 10 day holiday to Greece for next October and there was not a word mentioned or any clauses pointed out to us

It's not for them to tell you the fine print, its for you to read it.

Well said, redshoes, although I suspect many are not listening. Time is of the essence and as you pointed out, this is not 40+ years ago. Things have moved on. The fact is we have no solid deals and not even people who can put them in place, but hey, it's all going to be fine.

before you post opinions or assertions that suit your political views get the facts right. See attached.

I see so much mis-information here. People, do you realise that if flights have to be cancelled it is because from 1st April 2019 there will be no open skies agreement and only a juridical void to govern the skies?
Of course, if in the meantime UK comes up with a new agreement with Europe, every think will be back to normal.
As for "they want our tourism", no they do not care. They have agreements in place within themselves and tourists from 27 other countries to choose from, not to mention the rest of the world that do not need to fly via London to get to Paris or Rome.
As for going to other countries outside EU, of course you realise that to go to Turkey or Egypt or Australia your plane has to fly over other countries' airspace (and there will be no agreement in place unless UK get their act together), unless you go vertical to the Moon and back.....
So yes, the consumer is stuffed. Finally people start to realise what they have done.

The sentiment of this question is bollocks and you need to stop reading the redtop newspapers...

Interest in inbound tourism to the UK has actually gone up as a direct result of the £ falling and it being cheaper for tourists to come here.

Airlines are possibly writing clauses into their terms and conditions to safeguard against cancellations but this is more likely due to their own finances rather than 'borders'. 2-3 airlines have gone bust in the past few years and they are all operating at very very high risk. If there are serious currency fluctuations, this can bring a company down. They would still be bound by ATOL regulations surely.

Long live the democratic vote....

For heaven's sake, of course you're never going to see the continent again. It's going to float away over the distant horizon. Just like in the olden days we'll all be going to Bognor in a caravan. Get a grip ! You've given me the best laugh of the day.....why do people think the world is coming to an end after B--it ? Remoaners have no more idea how it will all be than Brexiteers. It's all guesswork but, basically, there's no way ( well behaved ) Brits will not be welcomed abroad. Sleep easy from now on.

Its really not and if you don't understand the relevance of the question, please RTFT and learn something.

This is a real issue, that needs answers. You don't even understand the question, so don't think you can answer it.

That is because in October 2018, UK is still in the EU and all usual conventions/agreements/treaties still apply.
Try booking for April 2019...

Haven’t holiday inside the eu since the exchange rate is so bad and the prices of holidays are ridiculous. There are loads of other places to travel

no you are not being unreasonable. The airlines are also not being unreasonable. Sadly the unreasonable people have no idea what they did when they voted to leave the EU and we will all end up paying the price for it and then they will blame the EU for protecting itself and the countries within it. But look at th bright side - the pound will be so low that we couldnt afford to go even if we wanted to - and that will be not just EU countries but any country. Already the exchange rates are plummeting.

People travelled to Europe before we joined the EU, and will definitely do so after leaving.

People travelled to Europe before we joined the EU, and will definitely do so after leaving

Yes. But HOW will they do it when the UK is no longer party to any of the agreements that allow the planes to fly in, out of and even over the UK?
Do you understand what the question was about?

They would still be bound by ATOL regulations surely.
Monarch weren't, hence having to claim via credit card companies.

People did travel to Europe before we joined the EU, but in nothing like the same numbers as do now. There were no cheap flights for a starter, so the rich won't suffer.