AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

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So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

Of course, I'm sure the Spanish economy will not miss the millions of British who holiday there every year. As with Ireland and the rest of Europe. Stop being hysterical.

Of course, I'm sure the Spanish economy will not miss the millions of British who holiday there every year. As with Ireland and the rest of Europe. Stop being hysterical.

What is your point here- can you clarify?

So you think that although Britain is leaving the eu and all the agreements that cover flight in the eu, that actually the Spanish and even the Irish govt have the final control over the agreements and they'll do anything to please us?

Is that what you mean?

No one is being hysterical no one is panicking

Can people stop making up bullshit please

It sounds pretty hysterical to me.. just look at the title of the thread!

Quite apart from the Open Skies issue, Ireland and Spain (as mentioned above) are in fact countries that may well have a veto on any arrangements - the position of Gibraltar and the Irish border are huge problems with at present no feasible solutions or workarounds in sight.

Any discussion of current affairs beyond the profound:
'We buy ikea- they need us'
'O'Leary is a twat'
'We used to go on holidays'
'think of the millennium bug'

is just women being hysterical apparently.

17.1million people voted for Brexit, 16.9 million voted to remain in the EU. Roughly the population was split in half being rude is not a good way to unite the population.

As it is I live in an EU country if you think the people here are scared about losing the stag/hen groups that come here you must be joking. I’ve noticed in the run up to the referendum and beyond there was a definite deterioration in attitude from the British tourists that came here.

The government still do not have a coherent plan to exit the EU clearly the Ireland/Northern Ireland border question is a disaster.

The pound has still not recovered to pre-referendum levels, everything in the uk is getting more expensive. I was in the uk last weekend and the expense was shocking.
Global companies are choosing to invest in the country where I live because the standard of education both academic and technical is way higher than the uk.

In answer to the original op there will probably be initial disruption but there are more important things surrounding Brexit to worry about, that still have not been addressed. However the country where I live are not worried by it at all and if Brexit is going to be a success then the backbiting and sniping needs to stop. The British empire disintegrated a very long time ago.

'It will all be fine' is all I keep hearing from Brexiters who are so busy congratulating themselves - STILL - for winning the vote they are neglecting to think about HOW it will be fine.

If the people driving this want us to 'really round the flag' or whatever jingoistic shite it is they need to convince us by telling us exactly what is going to be fine about it. But they can't.

It sounds pretty hysterical to me.. just look at the title of the thread!

I appreciate it's very hard for some to read and discuss beyond headlines and catchy slogans, but you could try. there is a lot of information about the open skies agreement on here.

Its a question...exaggerated for effect

Even the OP says if there is a deal

The hysteria seems to be coming from posters going ' stop panicking you are all being hysterical'

Its typical silencing behavior

People seem worried about posters discussing this

If you dont like the subject or think people are being silly why engage

People just whine about no one changing their mind...well no. Not until something happens and maybe not then either

And I've been reading it Helmet. Believe it or not, I'm a Remainer but I refuse to engage in hysterical what ifs. I wish more than anything the vote had gone the other way and unlike some I consider myself a European. However, I doubt very much that air travel will stop dead at the end of March.

Rousette, I think the majority of us - for a range of reasons - doubt that it will. But it is a possibility, which is why airlines and holiday companies are introducing clauses to protect themselves. It is perfectly reasonable for someone who is already seeing an effect to their sector (and their livelihood) to raise the issue. Headlines are designed to grab attention and this one sure has.

Of course, I'm sure the Spanish economy will not miss the millions of British who holiday there every year.

Nature abhors a vacuum, and for the loss of the lager louts on the Costas there will be citizens from e.g. Poland, Latvia and Estonia, who are enjoying increasing prosperity and may well fill the gap.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-43318258

From the BBC today - fears about queues in Kent.

Walking, your line about let's wait and see what happens is bizarre. That's what I truly don't get. What did brexiteers actually vote for? They don't know!
But, yeah, sure, it'll be fine.

Brexit is going to be detrimental in many ways - travel of course is just one of them.

On one hand you've got airline and travel industry experts on here who are very worried, on the other you've got rainbow and sparkles who feels since she used to holiday in Spain 40 years ago, everything will be brilliant.

It always seems to be the Brexiteers who were worried about a EU superstate or Turkey joining or millions of Muslim refugees washed up on the beach, who like to throw the phrase 'hysterical' around. Funny that.

Talktotrees if I lived my life worried about 'possibles' I would have no life.

As ever, the people who have a more open mind and prepare for the worst will come out of this slightly better than those who even fail to appreciate there could (will) be a problem. There's nothing you can do for people like that.

Kent voted Leave, although didn't know that leaving the CU and SM was part of the deal. Still, no doubt some enterprising farmers can install portaloos in fields adjacent to the motorway when the long queues start and similarly, there should be opportunities for mobile refreshment vans! Every cloud has a silver lining and all that.

"This is going to be like the millennium bug isn’t it?"

No, it's not. People spent a good few years and shedloads of money upgrading software so that we were prepared and it didn't happen.

I was one of those working on it and I remember it well! Months of planning, researching, identifying every single script and program affected - and then the fixes, testing, implementation...

Those quoting the Millennium bug as a non-happening are simply betraying their ignorance and their inability to deal with the facts.

I would be quite happy, think air travel is too cheap for the fuel used and environmental damage it causes. Although in school holidays it doesn't seem to be cheap, but rest of the time it seems to be for the miles covered. I haven't flown for 10 years now. You can go by Eurostar or ferry abroad. I have noticed flights have been increasing to the point that airports are considering expanding so a downturn in flights wouldn't be a disaster imo.

With regards to the bbc report, I don't think they have modelled scaryteachers idea that we will all get ferries instead of planes :D

I too worked on the Millenium bug preparations, hence my posting. Things didn't go wrong because we were well prepared. Similarly, Brexit could be a (IMO limited) success if we were prepared to address the problems and spend sufficient time and money dealing with them. But making speeches about how we want this that and the other which the rest of the EU have already said can't happen just because existing treaties and processes preclude them, isn't being prepared. Nor was wasting time and money appealing against Gina Millers actions, nor calling an unnecessary election and throwing a majority away.........

I still can't quite believe it was ever legal to put a referendum question to the country when the results of that referendum, should the vote go one way and not another, were clearly going to be such a massive, risky, destabilising unknown quantity.