To think Waitrose won't sell many gender neutral mother's day cards, because mothers are WOMEN?

[AskBasil]

We see your absurd virtue-signalling

Every single human being who has ever been born throughout the whole of history, has been born of woman. Not man, not non-binary, not super-latte-snowflake-aromantic: WOMAN.

I know some men feel really sad about this. I know that some of them had such sadz about it, that it led to a 6,000 year long tantrum, where they defined women as less human than them, defective men, immature versions of humans and enslaved us and categorised us as chattels and property. And now they are attempting to de-categorise us altogether, to pretend that as a category, we don't exist. We're just a feeling.

But they won't succeed, because everyone sane knows, that however you identify, whatever you feel about your body, if you've given birth to a child, you are a female. Because biology is real and "woman" is more than just a feeling in a man's head. Or dick.

Happy mother's day.

On the face of the headline yanbu - its 'Mothering Sunday' y'know for mothers who are indisputably female.

But ... I suspect that Waitrose are actually getting some free publicity on the back of this by expanding their range to virtue signal show how inclusive they are.

I do look forward to seeing what they do for Fathers Day.

Nobody's saying that trans people shouldn't get cards, but they can already get cards. They want to rename mother's day

Are they?

Really... A transwoman would probably love to be called Mother. And to get a mother's day card.

So I can't see why you think trans activist want to rename it. It doesn't make sense.

they want to to rename mothers day

Do they? How many of them have you asked? Or are you generalising?

Surely trans women who are mothers would prefer a card that cleary says "mother's day".

Nobody's saying that trans people shouldn't get cards, but they can already get cards. They want to rename mother's day.

Some trans people? All trans people? A couple of people on twitter who know that they'll get a reaction?

I think this is one to file away until Father's Day, which should be Waitrose's second You Day of the year.

If Waitrose are going to be another of those infuriating companies who decide to erase women but continue to honour men, like the places that now have Men's toilets and Everyone Else toilets, then they can get fucked. I'll keep an eye out.

Giving birth does not make you a mother. That's right. When I passed a brand new human being through my cervix, it made me a qualified electrician. The next one made me a geography teacher.

Maybe it's those transactivists who are non binary and are neither male or female?

So they don't identify as mother or father...

That's right. When I passed a brand new human being through my cervix, it made me a qualified electrician. The next one made me a geography teacher.

Well if you think that passing a human out your vagina is all that is required to be a mother, I think that's enough said. I suppose those who've adopted can't be mothers because they missed that step?

Nobody's saying that trans people shouldn't get cards, but they can already get cards. They want to rename mother's day.

"They" are probably about as real as the Muslims who are offended by Christmas and the word Easter appearing on chocolate egg boxes.

If my dad had transitioned into a woman, he'd still get a father's day card because he is my father. He wouldn't become my mother, no matter what he did to his body. And vice versa wrt my mother.

Personally, I'd like a day in which a solely female role (mothering) is celebrated and not co-opted by men. It is utterly irrelevant whether a mother gives birth or adopts.
While I would not be so mean as to say that a child can't get a mother's day card for her gay dads (kids like giving these things and I want children to be happy), they presumably get father's day cards so tbh, I don't consider it necessary that they get mother's day ones as well!

Who cares what Karen Pollock says? People talk shit all the time and are ignored. If you think Mothers day is going to be renamed you need to give your head a wobble.

It's the equivalent of quoting Anjem Choudary and saying 'see! the Muslims want sharia law in the UK and death to the West!, we'll all have to wear the veil'. Which would be taken down if it occured on MN as it's racist.

These histrionics and constant 'oh look another trans person did or said something' which leads to MN being considered transphobic, makes lots of MNetters switch off and detracts from the very real threat posed by self ID.

Personally, I'd like a day in which a solely female role (mothering) is celebrated and not co-opted by men. It is utterly irrelevant whether a mother gives birth or adopt

What does mothering mean to you? Is it something only a woman can do? Or can anyone mother a child?

LoveEricLove couldn’t have said it better. I’m getting increasingly frustrated with MN!

The world is going to the dogs isn't it? THEY have campaigned so Easter Eggs don't say Easter on them, THEY also campaigned so Birmingham renamed Christmas 'Winterval', is it the same THEY that are going to campaign for Mother's Day to be called 'Caregiver of any gender' day?

Ok so are you going to explain that to bereaved children and adults when the world around them are celebrating Mother's Day? Many will have had others doing the mothering and may well want to take part in the day by buying a card. Why do you get to decide what is "necessary" for thousands of families you will never meet.

I heard (maybe on here, maybe not) that someone got their mum a mothers day card and a father's day card too as they were a single parent so done both roles. So same could go in reverse one assumes.

Personally, I'd like a day in which a solely female role (mothering) is celebrated and not co-opted by men.

I'm fifty and from the time I was watching Blue Peter, as a small child, it was 'mums, aunties, or whoever looks after you' who were asked to leave the room, when they demonstrated how to stick some washing up bottles together to create a Mother's Day gift.

The idea that most decent adults don't go out of their way to make children who come from something other than a nuclear family feel uncomfortable, isn't new, it isn't an attack.

Horses for courses.I'd prefer the Waitrose card as would my dp in that situation. Thankfully we live in the age of choice.

Well if you think that passing a human out your vagina is all that is required to be a mother, I think that's enough said. I suppose those who've adopted can't be mothers because they missed that step?

I haven't laid eyes on my father for over 30 years. He never cared for me, never paid a penny towards my upkeep, but I believe that him ejaculating into my mother's vagina and making her pregnant which led to my birth means he is my father. If I'm suffering under a delusion please enlighten me. Who is my father if he isn't?

It’s long been a thing on Father’s Day to celebrate the mums putting in double duty because of absent fathers, maybe this is just a way to redress the balance. I’m not a fan of many things the trans lobby argue for including self identification but I’m not going to start telling kids who they should and shouldn’t be sending a card to today. If you need a gender neutral card to thank someone who has been like a mother to you I’m not going to get angry about it.

noeffing people who keep insisting that Mother's Day is mothering Sunday. That's nothing to do with trans. Mothering Sunday is a Christian religious thing. I actually dislike both mother and fathers'Day days as commercial inventions but it pisses me off that Fathers Day is left unquestioned as a (commercial) celebration of natal male human (not symbolic institutional, like a church) parents but everyone, from the churchgoers to traditionalists without any religious beliefs to the very vocal and entitled though totally unrepresentative trans rights activists say Mother's Day isn't about natal female human mothers.

I'd be right behind scrapping mothers' Day, fathers' day and grandparents Day (not that I know anyone who does the latter) and having one "parenting" day, or getting rid altogether.

Churchgoers have their mothering Sunday but no right to insist anyone else celebrates it any more than they can insist anyone else calls pancake Day shrove Tuesday or half terms Whitsun and Pentecost holidays or celebrates the saints days...

I haven't laid eyes on my father for over 30 years. He never cared for me, never paid a penny towards my upkeep, but I believe that him ejaculating into my mother's vagina and making her pregnant which led to my birth means he is my father. If I'm suffering under a delusion please enlighten me. Who is my father if he isn't?

If you'd had another man in your life, who had preformed the responsibilities of a real father, would you have been more likely to think of him as your dad?

My older siblings are adopted, they don't send cards to the man who contributed only genetic material to their lives. They sent cards to the man who reared them, their father.

It's quite interesting to see that the same topic on the feminism board hasn't got much reaction.

Brenda you and I have very different definitions of what makes a parent then. In your situation I wouldn't consider him to be my father. I'd see him as nothing more than a sperm donor. I consider my father to be the man that raised me, who made sacrifices for me, who loved me and cared for me.

My friend is currently raising her young sister after her mother and father died. She receives cards from her on mother's day. Should she not?