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To think Waitrose won't sell many gender neutral mother's day cards, because mothers are WOMEN?

307 replies

AskBasil · 11/03/2018 10:06

We see your absurd virtue-signalling

Hmm

Every single human being who has ever been born throughout the whole of history, has been born of woman. Not man, not non-binary, not super-latte-snowflake-aromantic: WOMAN.

I know some men feel really sad about this. I know that some of them had such sadz about it, that it led to a 6,000 year long tantrum, where they defined women as less human than them, defective men, immature versions of humans and enslaved us and categorised us as chattels and property. And now they are attempting to de-categorise us altogether, to pretend that as a category, we don't exist. We're just a feeling.

But they won't succeed, because everyone sane knows, that however you identify, whatever you feel about your body, if you've given birth to a child, you are a female. Because biology is real and "woman" is more than just a feeling in a man's head. Or dick.

Happy mother's day. Smile

OP posts:
IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 11/03/2018 19:04

kalapattar anyone can parent. But mother's day is about celebrating the females who have parented us, as father's day is for celebrating the males.

NerrSnerr · 11/03/2018 19:14

@IWannaSeeHowItEnds so what if a 10 year old wants to give their dad, uncle or Bill next door a Mother's Day card? Why does it matter to anyone else? Surely it's up to the giver to decide the reciprocates?

bellasuewow · 11/03/2018 19:18

I am with you op but welcome to the brave new world of nothing having any meaning due to the amount of offence absolutely everything causes a tiny minority of very silly men.

NotACleverName · 11/03/2018 19:20

Where does it say that men are offended by Mother's Day?

NerrSnerr · 11/03/2018 19:21

due to the amount of offence absolutely everything causes a tiny minority of very silly men.

Do you have any evidence of this offence or are you assuming people are offended?

Stillscreaming · 11/03/2018 19:30

I am with you op but welcome to the brave new world of nothing having any meaning due to the amount of offence absolutely everything causes a tiny minority of very silly men.

So, just to be clear, you agree with the OP taking great offence that Waitrose are selling a line of Mother's Day cards that don't say 'mother' on them but you feel that someone of Twitter, taking offence that some Mother's Day cards do say 'mother', is silly?

You see no irony in that stance at all?

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 11/03/2018 19:37

Nerr, I said upthread that if a child wants to buy a card for their dad, I'm not going to tell them they can't. I still think it's not necessary though, as they could do that on Father's day, or any other day besides this one.

Women are being threatened and attacked for expressing concerns about the way the trans movement is progressing. TRA are numerically very small compared to the popilation as a whole, but look at the shit storm resulting from their belief that everything should be about them.

SharronNeedles · 11/03/2018 19:43

iwanna well its a good thing that these families don't really care what you think.

SharronNeedles · 11/03/2018 19:44

stillscreaming I was thinking the same.

Stillscreaming · 11/03/2018 20:55

A friend has just told me that her three year old made a Mother's Day card at nursery but insisted on giving it to his dad and not her. I hope the thought police don't find out.

OutyMcOutface · 11/03/2018 20:57

Ok but if you don’t identify as a mother then you wouldn’t celebrate mother’s day would you? It seems pretty pointless.

Stillscreaming · 11/03/2018 21:01

It would seem that some people do, they have cards for them in Waitrose and everything.

kalapattar · 11/03/2018 21:02

Women are being threatened and attacked for expressing concerns about the way the trans movement is progressing

But what has this got to do with trans people?

Trans women don't mind being called mothers.
Trans men probably don't identify as mothers so will probably celebrate father's day.

This card is available all year round and can be given to anyone at any time.

So what kind of trans person is going to want to receive a 'Thank you for being you' card on Mother's day?

SharronNeedles · 11/03/2018 21:02

How dare shops try to be inclusive of all families instead of sticking to the 'normal ones'

GerdaLovesLili · 11/03/2018 21:13

Actually my mate who has a lovely mother and who obviously receives a mother's day card from my mate. She now also wants to send a card to her mother's new wife who has been part of my friend's life for many years. She (my friend) is always looking for cards that express this without them being a)soppy or b) suggesting that her step-mother is a mother substitute. This card is just what she's looking for. YABU

Fekko · 11/03/2018 21:31

I've seen plenty of 'happy mothers day' cards. You can send that to anyone surely?

SharronNeedles · 11/03/2018 21:43

Sure you can. You can send any card to anyone at any point in time. It's just another type of card you can send if you want.

bellasuewow · 11/03/2018 21:55

It’s great that mra’s have so many handmaidens sticking up for them.

NotACleverName · 11/03/2018 22:04

And there it is. There it fucking is. Any time anyone dares to stray from the accepted MN school of thought re: trans issues they get called a handmaiden. Funny how you (general "you") object to cis and TERF but throw handmaiden around for funsies.

Best stick to your echo chamber in Feminism next time. Smile

SpringHen · 11/03/2018 22:13

Im as gender critical as they come but I love that card.

There are people I have wanted to acknowledge on mothers day that there arent specific cards for. In the past I have bought mothets day cards for them and scribbled out mother and put them in instead.

I would buy it.

200steps · 11/03/2018 22:31

What a nonsense. There are already mother’s day cards for ‘like a mums’ ‘step mums’ ‘grandparents’ etc. There is absolutely no need to try and remove the day from women and include men in any way. I don’t even think buying a card for 2 male gay parents is necessary, it’s a woman’s day. They are not mothers they are fathers, why not just buy Father’s Day cards 😐

LoveEricLove · 11/03/2018 22:32

Yeah the 'handmaiden' trope is patronising bullshit designed to shut down and ignore an opposing viewpoint in a supercilious manner which is no different to when TERF is thrown out by TRAs.

Try harder.

bellasuewow · 11/03/2018 22:56

Love Eric and not a clever name. See the light and read about this issue it is really important. Don’t attack other women just because it is easier than making yourself a target of men.

SharronNeedles · 11/03/2018 22:58

I don’t even think buying a card for 2 male gay parents is necessary, it’s a woman’s day. They are not mothers they are fathers, why not just buy Father’s Day cards 😐

Well don't buy your gay dads a card on Mother's Day and your problem is solved!

kalapattar · 11/03/2018 23:00

See the light and read about this issue it is really important

Why would a trans woman want a card saying 'To you' on Mother's day?

Surely they would want a card saying 'Happy Mother's day'?

What kind of trans person do you think would want a card saying 'To you' on Mother's day?