To think Waitrose won't sell many gender neutral mother's day cards, because mothers are WOMEN?

[AskBasil]

We see your absurd virtue-signalling

Every single human being who has ever been born throughout the whole of history, has been born of woman. Not man, not non-binary, not super-latte-snowflake-aromantic: WOMAN.

I know some men feel really sad about this. I know that some of them had such sadz about it, that it led to a 6,000 year long tantrum, where they defined women as less human than them, defective men, immature versions of humans and enslaved us and categorised us as chattels and property. And now they are attempting to de-categorise us altogether, to pretend that as a category, we don't exist. We're just a feeling.

But they won't succeed, because everyone sane knows, that however you identify, whatever you feel about your body, if you've given birth to a child, you are a female. Because biology is real and "woman" is more than just a feeling in a man's head. Or dick.

Happy mother's day.

First, you. made me click on a link to that rag and that’s made me mad. Second, as another poster said, today celebrates the mother church, not actual human mothers. So finally based on the second point, if we are going to celebrate a day of people who love and care and nurture then the card is fine.

Why do we have a distinct fathers' Day for human male parents but keep insisting human female parents can't have one - whether because it's actually bout the church not women, or its actually for everyone...
We have a distinct father's day because commercial organisations realised they could make money out of it. Those same organisations push a distinct mother's day for humans down our throats too instead of letting it just be Mothering Sunday as it used to be known. Realistically we could just have one day (Mothering Sunday or another date) and make it a day to celebrate all parents / caregivers / those who have been nice to us, but we won't because that wouldn't make as much money.

I don't mind the cards at all. I do mind that transactivists made a great big hoo ha about MOTHERS day, but presumably won't for Father's day.

The Sun have clearly put that headline to incite hatred and as click bait. Don't get sucked in. Noone is saying you're not allowed to say mothers day despite their stupid headline.

The You card could be for anyone on any day.

And tbh if someone becomes trans surely they'd prefer a mothers day card? Personal preference I suppose.

All this fucking angst over a card.

I guess the OP got what she wanted; yet another trans drama thread with multiple replies. Shame about the flounce, though (I give it 5/10 overall, could be better).

Why do we have a distinct father's day for human male parents , but keep insisting human females can't have one
Who the fuck is saying this apart from a couple of transactivists that any one with any common sense is ignoring. Mother's day isn't going anywhere, it's far too entrenched in the retail calendar. As long you get to celebrate with your own mother/children how does it affect you if a few transwomen get cards bought from them by their own children? Their relationship with their own children has got fuck all to do with anyone else.

In the future, hopefully men and women who become parents will be both equally sharing childcare, bringing up and nurturing a baby - so will there be a need for a special day to celebrate Motherhood and the mothers in people's lives?

Unless we bring in a new day to celebrate the people in our lives who have brought us up, cared for us and been there for us

This is all a bit reminiscent of 'the Muslims are making all the cards say happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas and Cadburys have had to stop putting Easter on Easter eggs because they're offended by it'.

They're not. It's not happening. Same as transactivists aren't trying to erase Mothers day.

As people have said multiple times on this thread, these sorts of cards have always been available. It's the song and dance from TRAs to actually rename the day that gets people's backs up. Not because we don't want trans women to get cards, but because it's yet another case of 'women move over'. The latest in a long line of things that we can't even talk about without people banging on about transphobia. You can't just suck the meaning out of everything and include everyone all the time, all of us belong to certain groups and not others, yet this seems to be the only area where it's just being changed without thought for why it might be important to have things that are about mothers.

'Younet' doesn't have quite the same ring does it?

Loveeric

"The changes come after calls by some trans activists to rename Mother’s Day. Suggestions include Guardian’s Day and Carer’s Day."

How is that not trying to erase mother's day?

The changes come after calls by some trans activists to rename Mother’s Day. Suggestions include Guardian’s Day and Carer’s Day

But why would a transwoman who wants to be called a mother want to rename such a day?

I don't see anyone explaining that.

Unless it's those transmen who never seem to make fuss?

Why can't we have a separate Carers day? Leave mothers alone! I've enjoyed my flowers and lie in thank you very much.

The changes come after calls by some trans activists to rename Mother’s Day. Suggestions include Guardian’s Day and Carer’s Day

Where are these calls? In the the media? Are there many trans activists making such calls?

Or is it some people on twitter? or Tumbler?

@Tralalee please tell me how these cards in any way prevent you from getting flowers and a lie in?!

For those reading further in - this links to The Sun. I know many of us who prefer not to provide them with click revenue.

Amazing how people read an article in The Sun, which as we all know is a bastion of quality journalism and has never once lied about anything in its entire history, and assume it's the gospel truth...

(I guess it must be when it comes to trans people, though.)

Albadross I admit I’m generalising but do we really think that Waitrose thinks they’ll win some kind of being ‘woke’ points with the average Waitrose customer for launching a product based on the say so of a few TRAs on Twitter?

Far more likely they just thought it might fill a gap in the market for all the other reasons listed on this thread.

I can't understand how these cards have any impact on you. Does it in some way subtract from your special day?

If you don't like them that is fine. Hopefully you'll never get one.

But does it really cause you harm that they are making cards that are suitable for people who don't have "traditional" families.

I think it is very unreasonable and selfish for you to want to prevent other people from having the same joy from being given a card as you get every year.

It's in the Times as well

Oh wow, then I guess it must definitely be down to the evil trans cabal if the Times has reported it as well.

Still not seeing how it's erasing Mother's Day, still not seeing the issue. You're not going to be arrested and thrown in prison for buying a Mother's Day card, so what's the problem.

There are a small number of people who complain or campaign about anything.

Objecting to international womans day, a thread on here about Morrisons having a Mothers aisle on Mothers day being discriminatory, people who complain that there isn't a white history month. There's a poster here constantly banging on about how there isn't a mens hour on radio 4 and complaining to the BBC.

It doesn't mean anyone takes them seriously or that it's going to happen. Everyone just rolls their eyes.

But a tiny twatty number of a tiny group suggest something ridiculous and because it's trans related there is widespread panic on MN and shouts of 'they're trying to erase Mothers day'!!

Giving birth does not make you a mother. It's the acts that follow that make you a mother. This is why adoptive mothers and foster mothers count just as much.
Surely it doesnt matter what your views are on these cards, if someone wants to buy one, that is their business. You can't police who gets to celebrate a day. For children who only have one parent, it's nice to recognise the extra work their parent does for them. For children who are raised by an aunt/grandparent/uncle/cousin/sibling, it's nice to recognise the role they are playing in their lives and the sacrifices they have made.

Does it really impact your life or erase the history of women if Michelle (formerly known as Michael) from down the street is given a piece of glittery card this weekend? Doesn't make a difference to me.

I find it nice that we are being more inclusive and accepting of different types of families. Once upon a time my family setup would have been looked down on and I would have been cast out! I had a child out of wedlock!! Generally speaking, we as a society have gotten over this and these types of family dynamics are accepted. The same thing is/will happen with LGBTQ parents. I'm amazed that anyone would have a problem with these cards...

I think you'd be surprised at how this isn't confined to Twitter. Those on Twitter also exist IRL after all and have enough sway to be issuing guidance to schools and pressuring the government to change laws.

Nobody's saying that trans people shouldn't get cards, but they can already get cards. They want to rename mother's day.

This happened with Father's Day in Australia and there was outrage over that too -

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/special-person-day-fathers-day-change-campaign-dr-red-ruby-scarlet-parents-children-one-parent-a7917681.html

And this is the person campaigning for this change in the UK:

be-north.org.uk/team/karen-pollock/