White privilege... really? In schools??!

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To quote Bastille, 'the world's gone mad' ...

An interesting report here

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/09/audit-lays-bare-racial-disparities-in-uk-schools-courts-and-workplaces

Amongst that report - if found guilty of a crime, you are much more likely to be sent to jail if you are black than if you are white.

(of course - you would need to look at the 'controls' and see what other factors are involved) - because the groups may well vary - can it be said that all things being equal, you are more likely to go to jail if you are black?

the factors that affect kids from black community are linked to our own communities like single motherhood, drugs and knife crime

You said "our communities".

So what community are you from then?

You don't think that the average black community is more likely to be poorer and have knife and drug issues compared to the average white community?

Thehulk

I struggle to see the basis of that claim. If your white skin was the only factor, not perceived westerness or perceived wealth, you'd still be seen as all those positive stereotypes?

It might help if you said what country you are talking about?

Is the answer to this 'world's gone truly mad' nonsense, separate schools/work places/hospitals/etc for each ethnic group to avoid all possible privileged treatment based on ones ethnicity?

Thought not.

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One could argue looking at that report if you commit a crime that warrants prison time your more likely to be black, like you said there's not enough data.

Firstly I don't owe you my ethnic classification but since I said "our" you can guess. No I do believe that to be true but don't think it's the fault of the white community.

Patriarchy the Middle East and North East Asia.

What happens in cases where some groups of people are classed as "white" or "not white" depending on the context (for example, Jews are sometimes classed as "not white" and many Jews do indeed have dark skin)? I think it is a bit obscene to tell white Jews, who have suffered thousands of years of persecution to "check their privilege".

One could argue looking at that report if you commit a crime that warrants prison time your more likely to be black, like you said there's not enough data

And then you should ask why? Is it due to inherent racism, structural racism, barriers etc that means life puts you in a situation where you end up committing crime to survive?

Have you ever looked at how certain groups are portrayed on TV?
Have you ever looked at how reporting goes on of certain groups?

If you only ever hear negative things about groups, if the word 'black, Muslim etc' is added to the headline or to a story that is negative, that has an effect on the way people are perceived.

Interesting article about racism in Canada (old, and not quite on topic I know, but interesting for context imo):

m.huffingtonpost.ca/lou-james/racist-native-canada_b_3795232.html

Firstly I don't owe you my ethnic classification but since I said "our" you can guess. No I do believe that to be true but don't think it's the fault of the white community

You used the word 'our' so I am guessing you are white.

Have you heard of 'othering'? Making people into 'them' and 'us'.

Thehulk

So what your describing is privilege based on perceived westerness and perceived association with wealth.

White people were not treated well an certainly didn't have any privilege historically in the cultures of the areas you are talking about.

To illustrate the point, I work with a guy who is currently building a house in Ghana. He earns the same as I do yet his wages are allowing him to build a 6 bedroom mansion with acres of land, a swimming pool and servants quarters. When he goes to Ghana he is treated like some kind of a lord and deferred to, respected, viewed as better than the locals etc.

He is a Black Ghanaian who went to school in this country. Does he have white privilege? (Obviously not) or does he have western privilege?

I think it is a bit obscene to tell white Jews, who have suffered thousands of years of persecution to "check their privilege".

Most of the lighter skinned Jews I know would absolutely agree that they have had it "easier" than darker skinned Jews because they aren't as noticeably Jewish.

Kala I specifically siad I'm on white and said our when talking about black communities, also I've asked several times and you haven't answered please tell me the specific tangible barriers that were placed in my way growing up ? Not just some meta definition where you say there's racism out there. Of course racism exists but what's a much better strategy to fight it is to say racism when we actually have evidence or racism and we can fight it together.

And I very rarely these days see black characters in to shows portrayed in a negative light unless there's is a contrasting heroic black character ?

"I think it is a bit obscene to tell white Jews, who have suffered thousands of years of persecution to "check their privilege".
Really? White skinned Jews are more privileged than dark skinned Jews.........

Rumpled you’re right and yet I have no tribe whatsoever to have any solidarity with. It’s also totally fucked up my working life and as such I have no career. So I honestly feel as disenfranchised as I possibly could. The lowest of the low and if often treated like a freak.

What about the Irish too ? Are they privileged now ?

White people were not treated well an certainly didn't have any privilege historically in the cultures of the areas you are talking about.

They certainly do and did. Or are you entirely unaware of the history of colonialism in these areas? The whole issue surrounding white privilege is a by-product of colonialism.

He is a Black Ghanaian who went to school in this country. Does he have white privilege? (Obviously not) or does he have western privilege?

He is benefitting from the "western privilege" (i.e. he went to school in a Western, predominately white, country and was taught by white folk, so therefore his education is "better") & the privilege of being wealthy. If he was white, that'd be even greater.

Not sure what you aren't understanding about privilege.

I've asked several times and you haven't answered please tell me the specific tangible barriers that were placed in my way growing up

Less likely to get a job.
Less likely to even get an interview for a job.
More likely to be pulled over by the police.
Being judged by your colour -and all that comes with it.
Being seen and judged as a black male (I am going by your username there) rather than as white male - and people's views of black males are formed even subconsciously by what they read and hear.

Thehulk

So if I turned up in Arabia or south East Asia 100-150 years ago I would have had privilege? Have you read Lawrence of Arabia? Or seen how white people were treated in Japan or China before the industrial revolution?

Did you notice something about your description of my friends upbringing and education? You felt the need to shoehorn the word 'white' into it on more than one occasion, whereas everything you were saying would be equally true based purely on his education and background alone.

If I lived in China, I would have considerable privilege from being ethnically Han Chinese instead of a different Chinese ethnicity. Is that white privilege of majority privilege?

How much white privilege do you think I would experience (as a white western man) if I turned up dirt poor in Guizhou Province, China for example, and tried to compete with locals for the same job?

The thing is though - I don't know what it's like to be black in this country. I know what it's like to be white.

Just as (in general), the UK is a different world for men and women, people who aren't from the other group may not have any idea what life is like (in general) for people in the other group.

Someone from a black community may just have no idea how things are different for white people (in general). They just see life and think that's how it is - without knowing that other people have it easier. They can't see the barriers.

On the other hand, there are some who are no doubt fully aware of the barriers.

Just like sexism etc. People just often aren't aware of the barriers in their way and others just aren't aware of the barriers that exist.

First of all - more likely to get a job, government bodies actively recruit BME candiidates. There are even drives now that BME candidates are guaranteed interviews. I can honestly say I have never been pulled over by the police, though it does happen to others, thigh there are drives to make stop and search evidence based now so the answer would be to ignore crime has commenced. Also you then revert to non tangible answers being seen and judged because your black ? And reverting to subconscious bias ? Where is your evidence ?