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Why would you want to work full time when your dh earns enough?

158 replies

NaiceToMeetYou · 09/03/2018 18:29

^ my dm. The woman who's been 'on the sick for 25 years. I'm neglecting my children apparently. Fwiw dh has a decent wage which pays the bills but we're by no means rich. I've always worked, only part time for the last few years and this new role is actually a promotion I was very proud of.
Wibu to tell her to piss off back to the 1950's?

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pigeondujour · 14/03/2018 06:56

I've seen at least three people translate 'DM' into 'MIL' automatically on this thread. It's a strange phenomenon.

Chosenbyyou · 14/03/2018 07:04

I have found on several occasions that people presume I have to work and thus feel sorry for me!

No I choose to work as does my DH - but no one feels sorry for him! X

JackOConnellisstarredup · 14/03/2018 07:07

I'm in the 'I'm an adult and don't want to live off someone elses earnings' camp.

LakieLady · 14/03/2018 07:13

In addition to all the excellent points made above, I'd add the fact that children will benefit if their parents are able to help them financially post-18.

With huge student debt and ludicrous house prices, the second salary often means that parents can help with avoiding or repaying student loans and helping out with deposits. Without that help, the kids would be skint and forking out rent until they reach retirement age.

Alexkate2468 · 14/03/2018 07:29

YANBU - if it suits your family and enjoy your job then you'd be silly to give it up. Congratulations on your promotion too.

I'm the opposite of you though. I would love to give up work and be with my kids. I only work 2 days because that's the minimum we can live on. My dh earns well but we have a big mortgage (taken on when we thought weren't going to be able to have children). We could move, I suppose but we are quite settled here. I'm not bothered about financial independence and could pick up my career later if I choose. We're not bothered about holidays or 'upgrading' our lives with material stuff. I like it simple and Would love more time at home.

It's just different choices. Neither is better or worse. Just different. As long as families are happy. I do see a lot of criticism of women who make the choice I have but also criticism the other way too. Don't understand why people can't just live their own lives without judging others.

Alexkate2468 · 14/03/2018 07:34

JackO - I'm an adult too but would happily live off DH's money. I think what you bring to a family/society is about more than money. This doesn't make me a child.

Samantha77hat · 14/03/2018 07:37

This. I don’t understand women who are happy to be ‘kept’.

Some people are more committed / secure in their relationships than others. I don’t think it’s a sign of a healthy or committed relationship that one partner is sacrificing being the primary career for the kids, out of fear that the other partner might dessert them.

JackOConnellisstarredup · 14/03/2018 07:40

Alex- I don't have a lot of respect for anyone that just doesn't want to work but is happy for someone else to and provide for them.

Alexkate2468 · 14/03/2018 07:44

JackO, that's just rude. People's worth is about way more than money.

sevenstars · 14/03/2018 07:45

It's not about being "kept" fgs. Believe it or not, some couples have no concept of this kind of thing. This wouldn't occur to my DH. I've been a SAHM for over 10 years and it wouldn't occur to me either, but if that's how other people want to see it, fine.

sevenstars · 14/03/2018 07:48

If I had gone back to work, we would not be in the financial position we are. Plus we would be a lot more stressed as a family. So if that's being "kept", so be it because when it works, it works.

JackOConnellisstarredup · 14/03/2018 07:52

That's not rude. If someone is able to work and they don't have young children but they just don't want to - fine. But not wanting to but being happy for someone else to to facilitate that. It's an attitude I can't wrap my head around at all.

sevenstars · 14/03/2018 07:55

It's called a marriage Jack. Not that difficult to wrap your head around.

You know, he might "keep" us financially, but I "keep" the kids alive and well while he's at work / abroad. Nothing mind-blowing really.

GreenTulips · 14/03/2018 08:00

I'm an adult and don't want to live off someone elses earnings' camp

Having 3 kids under 2 was work!

My salary wouldn't pay the childcare - so if I returned to work we would be down financially paying the childcare AND we would both have to do all the housework gardening etc over the errkrnd so neither had a rest - It's not always about money

DevilsDoorbell · 14/03/2018 08:02

Why do some people not realise that a woman might actually enjoy working? It might not be for financial reasons, she might just like working.

gemdrop84 · 14/03/2018 08:07

Whatever works for you and your family is the way forward, if you have a choice about it, even better. Sod what anyone else thinks!

museumum · 14/03/2018 08:10

Because I work outside the home, dh cannot be guilted/bullied into staying late at work every night and missing out on parenting.

My working has been the best thing for my dc’s relationship with their father.

JackOConnellisstarredup · 14/03/2018 08:13

I'm not talking about SAHM with young children Tulip. I'm talking about women who have no children or secondary school aged and beyond who don't work because they just don't want to and financially rely on someone else.

Beetlejizz · 14/03/2018 08:16

If you have children, they need to be cared for just as much as the bills need to be paid. So the reality is that unless a person earns enough to both provide for the family and pay for childcare, they're being kept. Which is the large majority of working age adults, though I'm sure we're about to hear from an unrepresentative cohort telling us all about how they can do both. DH and I both work and both do childcare, and neither of us could pay for bills plus childcare, so we're both keeping the other.

thecatsthecats · 14/03/2018 08:23

My fiance and I could be comfortable upon one wage, but there are a scary number of people out there at our age - 29 - who will have SAHM set up, and yes, pay the bills each month and have the odd holiday, but nowhere near enough in their pensions.

It's scary the number of people who I see on money boards not including it as an outgoing, and then asking glibly if they can afford x hundreds a month for a lease.

Samantha77hat · 14/03/2018 08:29

Gemdrop Whatever works for you and your family is the way forward, if you have a choice about it, even better. Sod what anyone else thinks!

This really. Jack completely missing the point here. If one partner doesn’t want to work and doesn’t need to, and the other partner is happy with that then your sour opinions are irrelevant really

itstimeforanamechange · 14/03/2018 08:32

I don’t think it’s a sign of a healthy or committed relationship that one partner is sacrificing being the primary career for the kids, out of fear that the other partner might desert them

It's not just that, the partner could get ill and be no longer able to work, lose their job or die. None of that is predictable or anyone's fault.

QueenofmyPrinces · 14/03/2018 08:34

My friend said to me that when there are children involved she couldn’t understand why both parents would choose to work full time if it wasn’t financially necessary.

Following that conversation (and for some other factors too) I reduced my hours by a third.

I posted about it on here and the thread was about 10 pages long and I would say a good 75% of the replies were supportive that as we could still live comfortably on DH’s wage and my reduced hours then it made sense to cut back for the various reasons I felt I wanted/needed to.

corythatwas · 14/03/2018 08:40

"Alex- I don't have a lot of respect for anyone that just doesn't want to work but is happy for someone else to and provide for them."

When I stayed at home and looked after our (=OUR, JOINT, THE ONE WE HAD TOGETHER) disabled child, my dh did NOT regard that as my "not working" and him "providing": he saw it as my doing a difficult job on both our behalfs, while he did a different job.

There is, of course, a very good reason for a woman to hang onto her work, however much she trusts her husband, and that is the word PENSION.

kittythekatt · 14/03/2018 08:43

It's an utter crock of shit that women will end up financially vulnerable if they are SAHMs. They haven't been 'financially vulnerable' for virtually half a fucking century. This is just a load of shite that some working mothers tell themselves, to make themselves feel better, because they HAVE to work, they feel guilty being away from their kids, and they see themselves as morally superior because they class themselves as independent, and are not 'kept by their man,' (stupid fucking saying that is!)

Many of these smug women who look down their nose at SAHM's would struggle if they split with their husband, and it makes me laugh that they think they will sail along beautifully - alone - whilst all the SAHMs will be crying, under a subway, in a cardboard box. Many SAHMs I know have done very nicely after splitting with their husband thanks very much!

Again, this is something working women tell themselves to make themselves feel better. 'Oh at least I am independent,' When the fact is, if she splits with her husband, she will be no better off than a SAHM who splits from hers. (She will be worse off probably!)

It may have been the case 70+ years ago, but these days SAHMs will NOT be any more vulnerable than working moms if the couple splits. And despite snarky comments about 'having to ask him for money,' many women who stay at home with their kids have plenty of access to the family finances, and indeed, in many cases, they deal with the finances, and the husbands don't even bother with it, they just leave it to their wife..

On the other hand, some women who work, don't get to go draw 'their' money out and spend it on goodies, (like some are making out!) because their husband has control. And even if he doesn't, all the money goes on bills and mortgage/rent, house repairs etc anyway. So this 'I have the joy of spending my OWN money how I see fit' is a load of crap.

It's a laughable myth that all SAHMs are sad little puppies waiting for a few pennies for a loaf of bread, from their high-earning hubby who is in full control of her and everything she does!

I worked for 30 years, (full time half of them, part time the other half,) in a high-paid government job, and when I went part time, (when I had our daughter,) not a week went by when I didn't get rude and snide and snotty remarks about 'only' working 22.5 hours. Jealousy it was. Pure jealousy. And projecting their insecurities onto me.

And at 48 I took early retirement, because I could. I have my own income, we have no mortgage, and DH still works, and we do very nicely thank you.

But even NOW, the amount of jealousy and bitterness that comes from some (many of my generation - 40 to 55 y.o,) knows no bounds. They cannot BEAR it that I don't work. 'Well surely you must miss it?' 'Do you think you will ever go back to work?' 'Don't you get bored?' 'Come on, you're waaaay too young to be retired!; 'Are you OK for money with only him working?' (Errr, I have my own income thanks..

AND 'my fave one.... 'what do you DO all day?'

Exactly what I like. I can get up at 7am and go for a long walk, or bike ride, or a horse-ride, or I can lie in til 11am and watch crappy tv til 5pm. Or maybe I will go to the beach! Or maybe I will take our daughter out shopping for the day, or meet a friend for coffee, and go to the flix.

Yeah there are some rude remarks made towards working women by SAHMs, but there are waaaaay more rude remarks aimed at SAHMs by working women.

As I said, it's jealousy. Can't bear it that they have to work. I mean not ALL working moms/working women are jealous of SAHMs of course, but the ones who make the snide remarks are.. (Eg I' would have no self respect if I didn't work,' 'what is this, the 1950's?' and 'are you OK having to ask him for money?') Hmm No SAHM that I know does that. It's not the 1950's after all! Wink

I am actually seriously wondering if what the OP said even happened, or if this is a thread set up to bash SAHMs. I mean all this 'why are women happy to be kept?' bollocks is doing my fucking head in. It's just as bad as other women saying 'how can you go out out to work and leave your children with a stranger? Don't you feel GUILTY?'

That is a nasty thing to say, but so is 'how can you be 'kept' by a man?' No-one is being KEPT! For fuck's sake grow up. It's a JOINT DECISION between the couple, for one parent to be the earner, while the other is the homemaker and raises the kids. And don't even TRY and suggest that men only go along with it because it's only WOMEN who want babies. I know more men who were desperate for a child than I do women who were, so that bullshit ain't gonna wash!