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I’ve lost haven’t I? He’s got what he wanted

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CatLadyToddlerMother · 08/03/2018 09:15

On Sunday afternoon I was attacked by my husband and he threatened to kill me.

On the advise of the police I left my home with my DD who played two foot from us when this happened.

And I haven’t been back. Because he has. And it doesn’t feel fair. The tenancy is in joint names so he can’t be evicted, and he has the legal right to live there. He won’t sign the form to have his name taken off the tenancy so I can move in.

I’m trying to get an occupancy order but a solicitor won’t act until I can prove I’m entitled to Legal Aid, which I can’t as all my benefits letters are at my flat which I’ve been advised not to go back to by the Housing Association and the Police - I don’t work as DD has a few extra needs so claims DLA and CTC which is my entitlement to LA. I’m waiting for Women’s Aid to assign me a Support Worker so I can prove it another way but they’ve told me as I’m not in immediate danger it could take up to 3 weeks. The housing association have no legal obligation to house DD and I while my name is on that tenancy, and if I sign my name off the tenancy they can place me anywhere in the county which takes me away from my mum and brother (I’m living there atm) who are my biggest support at the moment.

I feel like I’ve lost. He gets to break the law, and still wins. I can’t go out on my own because I’m so scared, I tried to get to DDs Nursery alone yesterday morning and got a quarter of the way and had to call them saying I couldn’t get any further. They were lovely and bought the Nursery car and a car seat and took us both to the Nursery but walking back alone I was shaking and it took ages to get home. My mum had to pick DD up from Nursery.

It’s so unfair. I can’t live like this for another month. My DDs got no toys or clothes, and I feel guilty using my mums bread and milk and food when she’s on a low income herself. I just want to go home.

He’s won hasn’t he? I’m up shit creek without a paddle, still liable for a flat I don’t live in and have no money or clothes.

I feel like such a crap mum, I’ve let my DD down, has I ignored the police and stayed home he wouldn’t have been allowed back and then he’d have had to have tried to get me out which with me having DD would have been hard for him to do.

And I’m so worried he’s going to petition the courts for access to our DD, I don’t like her being out of my sight atm but I know he’s her dad and I can’t stop him seeing her (I never would but I just want time to get my head together and have a home)

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Mxyzptlk · 13/04/2018 14:15

Make sure your DBro stays with MiniLady, so there's no chance of a sudden dash out of the door. Or photos of injuries.
Don't trust exH an inch.

It's an accident and I'm so glad she's recovering. Flowers

Fletchasaurus · 13/04/2018 15:18

CatLady you are truly incredible. Your poise and grace and love for your daughter absolutely shines through. I don't have any practical advise so am sending lots of support Flowers

Gemini69 · 13/04/2018 15:28

you did the right thing.. transparency is key Flowers

laura1306 · 13/04/2018 15:47

I'd give up the house if I were you. Would you be okay with him knowing you lived there anyway? What if he came knocking on the door or trying to get in? Perhaps stay with women's aid for mental support but would your mum be happy to house you for a while whilst you find somewhere new off your own back. If you ring around the benefits people they should be able to send out backdated and new letters as proof for each month as long as you know your national insurance number you could get them sent to your mums. I really hope that you can find some peace no matter where you are and how long it takes Thanks

Motoko · 13/04/2018 16:12

Laura OP started the thread weeks ago. She's living in her flat and her ex is living elsewhere.

CatLadyToddlerMother · 13/04/2018 16:28

Just had a bit of text conversation with ExH and I think I'm finally making headway.

Him: "Hi Catty, hows MiniLady? From the photo on Facebook looks like quite w hack she gave it, hope she's ok. Can you keep me updated on her please? I do miss her"

Me: "She's fine, she's had some lunch and is playing with her dolls house. Of course I'll keep you updated she's your daughter. Can I ask you something? Why over the last few weeks have you let your parents do all the asking after her? You come across as not caring and that's not you, I've known you since you were 14 and when you care about someone it shows. That's how we ended up together remember?"

Him: "I've not wanted to bother you. I know what I did was awful and I've been trying to make sense of it all myself. I want to know how she's doing, I long to ask how her day at Nursery went, but I'm scared you'll knock me back. So I got my mum to do it, but then she didn't get satisfactory answer and it's got out of hand"

Me: "Out of hand?? Both your parents have told me they want you to the resident parents. Your told the Nursery that I am neglecting and abusing our child! How did she expect me to react? To just lie down and hand my daughter over? Because this is not how to get me on side. By being like this I trust you less and less so I'll pull back because I'll be scared that I won't get her back when you do see. I don't want to keep her from you, she loves you, she asks for you at least once a day, she should see you but it has to be safe. I am never going to keep important information from you or tell you you can't ask about your daughter, if the roles were reversed I'd be asking about her meals, her days at Nursery, her sleep, anything and everything I'd ask about it. She's your daughter you should know about her life. I am like the most reasonable person you'll ever meet. If your getting on my nerves I'll tell you but asking about your daughter won't annoy me, as it shows you care"

Him: "Thank you, I just want to know about her and see her regularly. I would love to be Resident Parent but it wouldn't work. Her life is at your place, her friends live near there, her Nursery is near there plus with my job it just wouldn't be fair to her. All I want is to see her. I will always return her. I will promise you that. On her life if you want"

Me: "No need to swear on lives, but just don't break my trust. You've done that once by hurting me. I just need to know she's safe and will be happy. I need to know how you will protect her"

Him: "If she comes here, I will put a babygate on my bedroom so she can't get in, and I'll keep it shut as will my mum, dad and (ex-sils name). I will put all my medication into that room so it's safe from her. Mum has said I can't eat in my room so there will be no plates or cutlery in there and I'll never ever eat in the room that will be hers. My mum will keep MiniLady with her at all times. We'll mostly be in the garden or living room but mums said if she leaves the room MiniLady will go with her. Or my grandma will come and sit with us both and do the same. Please just let me see her"

Me: "Show me photos of the gate set up. Tell your parents to back off and let us deal with this. You are 23 years old, not 13. Man enough to have sex with me and create a child, man enough to deal with the consequences. She wants her dad, not her grandmother or grandad or aunt. If you show me I can trust you then I will let you take her there to see them"

He sent me the photo I asked for.

Me: "Thank you. I will have (brothers name) here tomorrow, but we will be in the kitchen. Prove to me you want to see her. I will leave nappies, wipes and her cream in the living room, I will expect you to use them if she needs them. You do not go into my bedroom. Prove to me you can care for her and I'll consider letting her go to yours next time."

Him: "How long can I stay? And what time? I finish work at 3pm. I promise I don't want to snatch her, I just want to see her. Can I bring the new toy I picked up for her?"

Me: "Is 2 hours ok? Say 3.30-5.30?"

And he's agreed. He's paid the maintenance at £20 more than minimum.

I might actually make this work and avoid court!

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MrsMozart · 13/04/2018 16:30

I have everything tightly crossed lass.

Gemini69 · 13/04/2018 16:36

that's great ... really great Flowers

elisenbrunnen · 13/04/2018 16:46

Don't ease up on the trust though, OP. I know he is saying the right things, but I wouldn't trust him an inch. Let him prove himself before he gets to take Mini anywhere

And don't trust PIL either - he seems quite easily led by them.

Just basically be on your guard!

CatLadyToddlerMother · 13/04/2018 16:48

elise Of course, I said I'd consider it, not that it would happen.

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BananasAreTheSourceOfEvil · 13/04/2018 16:56

CatLady- Im a cynic as Im afraid I've been through something far too similar myself.

I dont buy the smarmy lies, personally but thats not for me to judge. My ex looks like an angel, says all the right things but is a feckless lousy lying little toerag.

You didnt arrive at this situation overnight- please dont allow yourself to be sucked in by a few platitudes and token gestures.

I wish you all the best with it, I know it isnt easy.

CatLadyToddlerMother · 13/04/2018 17:26

Bananas I know it could all be talk. If he turns up with Ex-MIL or Ex-FIL I won't be letting them in, but I do like to give the benefit of the doubt because everyone deserves a chance, and a second chance to prove themselves. He's told me before he doesn't want to be resident parent, and I have said before I do think he loves her, he just struggles with his own mental health.

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magoria · 13/04/2018 17:49

There is nothing in that about all the shit his mother has created with social care and stating your DD is being neglected and abused. It is just you didn't give his mother the answers she wanted. Nothing else.

Also you have been told he is not to have her alone until this has all been sorted out haven't you?

He may not want to be residential parent but you have nothing to say that his mother will not make sure she is kept there.

Be very very careful. Get the resident parent part sorted out and all the other stuff before any over nights.

Slowly slowly, A few hours at yours to build up.

magoria · 13/04/2018 17:50

Also now the social care people are involved it will not be dropped until they give the all clear.

CatLadyToddlerMother · 13/04/2018 18:16

magoria you are right and I am considering my options.

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NameChange30 · 13/04/2018 19:40

Those messages sound like you are promising him unsupervised contact Confused

Be very careful, what if he shows them to social services (or his mum does) and they accuse you of not protecting DD?

I think you need to stick to supervised contact only. None of this nonsense about her spending time with him at the in-laws. The woman reported a bunch of nasty lies about you to social services, remember.

I think DD’s accident has made you soften. I understand you were shaken up. But this is not the time to start giving into your ex. You mentioned his mental health in your last post. Don’t fall into the trap of minimising or excusing his behaviour. Plenty of people with mental health problems are not abusive. He is not one of them.

Mxyzptlk · 13/04/2018 19:41

you have been told he is not to have her alone until this has all been sorted out haven't you?

If you give in to him and his family, you could appear not to be safeguarding your DD, and you could end up losing her through that.

Be very wary.

Mxyzptlk · 13/04/2018 19:45

If exH genuinely has your DD's best interests at heart, he wouldn't be pressing for overnight visits.

All those arrangements he's talked about - it'd only take one slip-up by him or one of his relatives to be disaster for DD and you.

Don't trust him an inch.

flubdub · 13/04/2018 19:52

I’ve just read this from start to finish.
Wow OP, what a rollercoaster!
Can I just start with a MASSIVE virtual applause from myself, and probably all others reading this thread, for doing what most others don’t do, and by leaving your husband the second he did the unthinkable.
I’m shamed to say that I have been in your position (not the housing issue though) several times, and although I have walked away from my partner at the time, I always go back to him. So from that point of view, I know what an incredibly brave and hard thing you have done.
For that, you should be very very proud of yourself.
Your last couple of pages concerned me a little though. Obviously we don’t know your husband like you do, but it does sound as though he is trying the nicely nicely approach to get what he wants wit regards to contact.
I would strictly follow your SW’s and others advice to the letter about supervised contact in a neutral place.
Your house is not neutral.
I know you haven’t committed to anything, but I still think it a bad idea.
Can he not just see your DD at your brothers house again?

Anyway, I hope DD is recovering well and you should be giving yourself a huuuge pat on the back

Beeziekn33ze · 13/04/2018 19:58

Cat - have you been offered supervised access (to DD by your ex) at a registered access centre? It's designed to be safe and in premises where the RP and NRP won't meet.

Beeziekn33ze · 13/04/2018 19:59

Sorry, I'd not RTFT!

NameChange30 · 13/04/2018 20:10

Timely reminder though!

CatLadyToddlerMother · 13/04/2018 20:16

He's agreed to meet me and my brother in a local coffee shop tomorrow instead of at mine, which is neutral and I've said I will sit so I can see the door but he can't see us and will only make ourselves known when I am sure he isn't with either of his parents. There's a playarea inside the cafe, so DD will be happy enough there.

He's also agreed to sit down and properly discuss maintenance with me at a time when DD is in Nursery. Although he's shot himself in the foot by asking me about the bank account that I had frozen Hmm. He's tried to offer me some of the money to unblock it. It's not all about the money...

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NameChange30 · 13/04/2018 20:20

Cafe is a good idea
He’s playing nice so you’ll unfreeze the account
Threats didn’t work so he’s trying a different strategy
Why does he have to meet with you to discuss maintenance? It can all be done by letter or email surely

CatLadyToddlerMother · 13/04/2018 20:25

AnotherEmma Because he's not happy with the amount he's paying and doesn't want me to go to the CMS or whatever they're called now. So has agreed to discuss it so in his words "MiniLady can stay in her Nursery and eat". The CMS advised figure is a little more than I was expecting so as long as DD can stay in her Nursery and I don't have to go without food or something to make that happen I'm happy. I know what my lowest is, and if needs be can always go through the CMS.

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