to think there must be some kind of border in Ireland / Northern Ireland because of people

[kalapattar]

All the talk has been about goods and services.

But how will people travel between the UK and Ireland without a physical border? Passport checks, immigration status etc. There won't be a border between mainland UK and Northern Ireland so how will this work?

Eh? Without a physical border?

Same way they do just now

There's over 300 roads between north and south. And lots of farmers fields are on both sides. An actual border is impossible.

Either there or between Ireland and the UK.

A border between Ireland and Northern Ireland will be bad for everyone here and mostly impossible to police anyway. The UK government doesn't appear actually give a crap about NI and the peace process however.

Same way they do just now

Is there an actual border with border guards on? Never seen them when travelling within Europe but how does it work in the Ireland / Northern Ireland border. I thought there were no borders there.

How does it work when people travel from Northern Ireland to the rest of the UK?

Are there checks made?

Just checking, have you awakened from a hundred year sleep?

Irish people born in the north, like me, don't recognise the so-called border the English imposed on us. We won't show passports or go through immigration at that so-called border and anyone who tried to impose that would meet with violence and restart the civil war. (That's not a threat - personally I'm a pacifist and would find a way to protest it peacefully.)

In terms of, say, illegal immigrants, then there won't be a way to make sure they don't travel from the republic to the north. No-one is planning on having one. So every time you hear a Brexiter talk about controlling our own borders - they know they can't and won't. It's just a sound bite.

People will move across he common travel area in ROI/NI as they do now. There is currently a virtual border, different tax rates, different currency etc, it will carry on as normal. Hate the way some people are trying to whip up a frenzy over this to try and stop Brexit.

There used to be random checks at the border towns, no longer required after the peace process.

Kalapatter there are no border guards, you wouldn't know you're in Northern Ireland until you see the speed signs (mph) in the south they are kph. There used to be a guarded border (British army) and southern reg cars would regularly get pulled over and questioned as to where they were going, why where they going there etc. not pleasant for all involved and a return to same would be like going back to the days of the troubles. We are very keen to not have a physical border for everyone's sake.

Roads used to be closed and spiked so cars couldn't pass, the army patrolled, people were funnelled though offical checkpoints.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/22/how-brexit-looms-over-the-irish-border-its-the-berlin-wall-approaching-us

Some info here.

Sorry should have said I live in the south/Republic/Ireland near a border town

Julie don't you always pop up on these threads spouting Boris Johnson nonsense? Please stop.

There is currently a virtual border,

No there isn't. A virtual border implies technological/surveillance equipment. There is nothing of the kind.

whip up a frenzy over this to try to stop Brexit

Many don't give a stuff about Brexit either way. Their priority is rightfully to avoid the resumption of discrimination against one part of the north of Ireland community, and civil war.

Of course, despite all that smuggling was rife and it was impossible to have a solid border.

You can imagine the extra scope for smuggling now.

I had no idea what happened between Ireland and Northern Ireland and any kind of checks. I am used to showing my passport when I leave England to go to France but obviously not when going to Scotland or Wales. I suppose it's obvious that you need some kind of ID to go from the mainland to Northern Ireland as it involves planes or ferries.

So anyone can go to Ireland from Europe and then go to Northern Ireland without any checks? I wonder how that will work with illegal immigration from Europe.

It does look such a complex issue - and no one does want to return to the past.

Julie is just showing her ignorance.

There can't and won't and shouldn't be any kind of border. It would (rightfully) cause absolute chaos and a complete uproar, as illustrated by @somerville's post.

I suspect that unless they negotiate free movement we'll all be checked when we go over to the mainland, regardless of whether we're from the North or the South. Will be a pain in the arse but almost worth it for how much it will absolutely infuriate the DUP.

How does it work when people travel from Northern Ireland to the rest of the UK?
They get on a boat or a plane

No checks when traveling from to/from NI to the rest of the UK by ferry at least. I assume flights have the general ID checks that all flights do, i.e. can't fly from Edinburgh to London without photo ID.

I can't imagine a physical border. The Northern Irish part of Dh's family are mostly in the United Ireland over their dead bodies camp
(a family member killed in 1922 still gets brought up regularly and they definitely haven't forgiven/forgotten the death of Dh's grandfather) and the Irish part of my family are pretty much with Somerville although without the pacifism. It's a total and utter disaster waiting to happen.

Actually, no, ID isn't always checked on flights and ferries.

don't you always pop up on these threads spouting Boris Johnson nonsense No I have my own opinion. Why does that offend you?

A virtual border implies technological/surveillance equipment
Funny if there is no border I have to use a different currency. I must be imagining I have crossed a virtual border when I visit Dublin.

Somerville There wasn't a civil war, there was just a lot of terrorism.

You can imagine the extra scope for smuggling now About the same as there is now.

Busses used to be routinely stopped too, the army would get on with their guns and could go through your bags. (This was more to check what you had rather than who you were though. It's always been a common travel area) the biggest worry about going through the check points were wether you'd be caught up in an explosion or shooting. Not for me though, I was wee and just made sure my bum was to the back of the seat and I didn't point out my new shoes that we had technically smuggled over the Border by putting on my feet.
WRT people, thousands of people cross the border everyday for school and work. Live in the north, work in the south and vice versa. People cross the border for healthcare and shopping and lots of other things. There are some agreements already in place for healthcare and claiming statutory benefits, etc. I dont know how these will be impacted.
There is a pre-existing agreement in place for Irish and British people (I think it's the anglo-irish one) which basically gives us settled status in either place. I've been told this will still stand but I still worry about it regularly.
For non-irish or British people, yes, somewhere there will need to be a border for UK to have control over it's borders. But where? Along the NI border? There's areas where that isn't even defined, such as the Foyle and Carlingford Lough. In lots of other places the border goes through people's property, even their homes. Is Britain going to set up visa checks somewhere between someone's front and back door? As I mentioned before, the customs points where sitting ducks and regular targets during the troubles.
The DUP and other unionists will not accept a border between NI and the mainland. Would you like an ID check point between Manchester and London?

It's kind of the problem with NI that no one wanted to talk about before Brexit. And That's without touching on all the other points.

Actually, no, ID isn't always checked on flights and ferries

Will that change? - because people could go from any European country to Ireland and then get to the mainland via Northern Ireland without any checks