to think there must be some kind of border in Ireland / Northern Ireland because of people

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All the talk has been about goods and services.

But how will people travel between the UK and Ireland without a physical border? Passport checks, immigration status etc. There won't be a border between mainland UK and Northern Ireland so how will this work?

Oh they didn't mean THAT boarder apparently.
Brexiteers want to pick the boarders they take control of.
Twats.

The thing is though the UK doesn't give a shit about northern Ireland, to put any sort of border in is a massive administrative headache for the UK, not to mention the financial implications and the fact that it would mean a huge step backwards in North south relations, there's no pros in having a border (that I can see anyway)

Madmags

There must be a border if we are not part of the customs union to prevent smuggling of goods into Ireland that do not meet EU regulations.

If the government does not want to continue with freedom of movement for EU nationals then it needs to have a border with Ireland where passports can be checked. This can either be between ROI and NI (unacceptable to nationalists) or between NI and the UK (unacceptable to unionists).

I think it's worth pointing out though that Freedom of movement rules apply only to the movement of ^workers^ so perhaps the UK government could start applying the existing regulations stating that those not in work or self-supporting within a set time period has to leave. Then freedom of movement needn't be such an issue.

The biggest issue is that the hardest Brexiters couldn't give a shit about whether or not Ireland returns to violence. Gove, for example, never liked the GFA anyway.

There is a common travel area for people.

This has existed since before we were in the EU. Us Irish folk can even vote in general elections. We're a different category.

At the moment, of you have a visa from, say, India to go on holiday to Ireland, there is nothing theoretically to stop you getting a bus to Belfast and crossing over without a U.K. visa. On reality, this doesn't happen. There are occasional spot checks for people on buses and trains (v occasional) but in reality it's fine.

How many undocumented EU migrants do people really imagine are going to be using Ireland to get into the U.K.? You do realise we have more EU migrants than the U.K. On a per capita basis, much more generous dole, pension and children's allowance, right?

Nothing will change. Or the UK will face a reaction from the international community for putting a peace treat in jeopardy through its own self serving hubris it can't even imagine right now.

That's one way of solving it Mags! Honestly I think brexit is bring a united Ireland closer than anyone thought possible. What the feck can we sing about during lockins then? No more rebel songs, we'll be reduced to Hit the Diff and the Gambler...

An oul bang of Country Roads never goes amiss, either!

I do agree about the United Ireland, though I think it would have won with a landslide if it had been done within months of Brexit being voted in. Panic and mob mentality and that!

If the British government try to fuck up the Good Friday Agreement there will be uproar, the civil war will start again (it’s not called a civil war so that governments don’t have to do things like have war crimes trials and pay their victims, it was very much a civil war). The ‘close are boarders’ crew should have put a tiny bit of thought into their votes.

Also, I’m a bit sniggery that NI, who no one gives a fuck about, is causing a such a pain in the whole for the English government. Slap it up yeee.

*hole

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GladAllOver the Ireland problem? Yup, that's all we are right? A problem? An impediment to Brexit? Shame on us for getting in the way

Well the BBC are now reporting that the UK government are stating categorically that there will be NO HARD BORDER.

They're no daft eh.

The po!ice do still board buses or pull over any cars (particularly people carriers with tinted windows) and ask for passports/immigration documents. A friend of mine was pulled off a bus on the way to Dublin and detained at a station for not having his passport on him. He was a born and bred Dubliner with the thickest Dublin accent but isn't White so "they just needed confirmation".

I have English plates (but live in NI) and was followed several miles before I was pulled over by Gardai just outside Dublin. They were most perplexed why I was going " the back roads" was trying to avoid the toll and insisted on keeping me at the side of the road until they had confirmed that my vehicle matched my name. I have tinted windows and they made me open the doors to check that I wasn't people smuggling".

You know all this "it works just fine now" and "why change anything" seem to missing the rather massive point....it all works just fine now because we are ALL IN THE EU. When the UK leaves the EU, things can't just work as they are, because things will have massively changed.

Can't believe that actually needs to be pointed out!

Having said that, if common sense prevails then the UK will allow free travel of EU citizens to the UK after Brexit which would resolve (or at least fudge) the issue.

Can’t see how they could possibly do this. Huge swathes of people voted for Brexit for immigration reasons, though they like to deny it.

Good to know easypeasylife it hasn't happened to us but we're white so I wasn't aware of it. VRT and diesel checks aren't uncommon as we're from a border area but we haven't had these yet. We've only been driving home these last few years.

Agreed, does. I am originally from a country which has no land borders with any other country. I have said this occasionally in conversation over the years, ie talking about brexit, free movement etc. I am honestly baffled by the number of people who have said to me "but so is the UK" . I think most Brits forget NI exists.

Freedom of movement rules apply only to the movement of workers

Used to be the case but then it was changed to people, instead of workers. One might argue that’s where the seeds of the anti-EU movement were sown.

By "good to know" I mean I didn't know that, not that I'm glad that the Gardai regularly carry out racial profiling!

I wish leave voters had given this (and Gibraltar) just a tiny bit of thought before voting. Actually, that implies they give a single shit about peace in NI when clearly they don't.

Oh they didn't mean THAT boarder apparently. brexiteers want to pick the boarders they take control of.

Yet that's the only land border they have with the EU. Jeez, did they only mean sea borders? They could have made that clear.

There wont be a harder border than now exists, its just scare mongering to suggest otherwise. There is a lot of political point scoring using this as an excuse.

Are you clairvoyant, Julie?

Tell me then; how is it going to work since the UK is so worried about immigration?

All the talk has been about goods and services.

no. It really hasn’t.