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to think there must be some kind of border in Ireland / Northern Ireland because of people

498 replies

kalapattar · 27/02/2018 20:49

All the talk has been about goods and services.

But how will people travel between the UK and Ireland without a physical border? Passport checks, immigration status etc. There won't be a border between mainland UK and Northern Ireland so how will this work?

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Maryz · 27/02/2018 22:54

And yes, we don't want our counties back.

Or to be more exact, we can't afford our counties back.

doesthislookoddtoyou · 27/02/2018 22:54

OK if you just want a one sided echo chamber then I will leave. Not here to hassle anyone. Hope you enjoy your demands for a hard border

What I hear there is "You're right, I haven't a fucking clue what I'm talking about so I'm going to flounce now".

Maryz · 27/02/2018 22:56

Good summary doesthislookoddtoyou Grin

ChristmasCakes · 27/02/2018 23:01

I don't really understand why the UK govt doesn't acknowledge what a shit show brexit is and have another referendum. It's not undemocratic to continue to consult the public on their wishes. Is it Confused

KennDodd · 27/02/2018 23:01

I'm sure you're right Julie you will be able to sheeperd your unicorns back ond forth across the border/not border post Brexit. Perhaps you can sort out Gibraltar next?

Eyeroller3000 · 27/02/2018 23:02

I love how people refer to those who want to remain part of the union as "living in the Stone Age" and call Northern Ireland "occupied counties" 🙄. Ireland was first ruled by the brits when they were the normans. They're more obsessed with living in the past. With that logic shall we all send everyone in England back to live in France?

The past has been done, trying to change it now won't help and anyone who wants a United ireland and currently lives in Northern Ireland needs to get their head checked out. People in the republic are in poverty so much so that they can't go to hospitals or the dentist cause they don't have free health care. And don't get me started on the armchair republicans driving their DLA cars to collect their sterling unemployment benefit 🙄.

Northern Ireland need to work on the here and now and stop looking towards the past. The DUP need to get with the times with regards to some of their policies and Sinn Fein need to give over about the Irish language act 😶 we do not need to waste tax payers money on redoing all the street signs to English and Irish and all the other unnecessary things that the act would entail.

Holding the country to ransom over a basically defunct language is pathetic.

KennDodd · 27/02/2018 23:05

ChristmasCakes

I think people would still vote leave! I'm in England, most people i know really don't give a shit about Ireland.

Actually, I do know some people who have changed from leave to remain, they're really angry about the lies they we're told and how some issues were shut down.

LaurieMarlow · 27/02/2018 23:10

are you demanding a hard border

Lord no, as you're well aware. I'm an ardent remainder. But my remain and your leave are starting to look quite similar. So shrug.

I didn't have you down as a BINO, you surprise me.

ChristmasCakes · 27/02/2018 23:10

@KennDodd I thought brexit was really unpopular in England now, not because of Ireland but because it turns out billions of pounds won't be diverted to the NHS as promised and so on

Maryz · 27/02/2018 23:22

Eyeroller3000, that isn't the point. The UK signed up to the GFA, it's an international agreement, they can't walk away from it without sanction.

It's not a matter of "oh well, NI has been part of the UK since the dawn of time, we don't care about borders" - there is, legally, a lot more too it than that.The very fact that TM and the conservative government don't seem to realise it is a real worry.

"Holding the country to ransom over a basically defunct language is pathetic." - I will try to find the thread on this; it seems it's more than just an Irish language thing; I too would think "fucking Irish, who cares?" but it seems that there is more to it.

I won't comment on Brexit, apart from to say that we Irish realise that asking the people doesn't always come up with the right result [sigh]

Caramelchomp · 27/02/2018 23:25

Eyeroller what are you talking about? Do you know anyone in the republic? I'm in Dublin and every one I know has a well-paying professional role. Ireland is doing fantastically. No free health care but we can afford the Dr's bills;) and no - why should anyone give over about the Irish language act? It's our language and we have the right to make any demands we feel like. What I think is most pathetic is all the unionists rushing to get Irish passports. As much as twats like Johnson would like it to be the case, the border isn't like Camden/Islington and Ireland isn't going to just go away.

Caramelchomp · 27/02/2018 23:27

Incidentally, I think that anyone talking about the union is the one living in the past. What do you call commemorating the 12th every year?Grin

FlaviaAlbia · 27/02/2018 23:28

I was reading that as an alternative to Julie, chuck a load of random rantings in and divert the thread from what's been a civil discussion...

LaurieMarlow · 27/02/2018 23:31

caramel not that I'm agreeing with eyerollers position but HUGE difference between Dublin and the rest of the country.

There is a big issue with taking on NI in that I don't know how you reconcile a population used to the NHS with having to pay their for their own healthcare. And if that's funded for them, then the rest of the republic is justifiably up in arms.

The cost point is significant. But that's another thread.

SusanWalker · 27/02/2018 23:51

There was a very interesting episode of Brexit a guide for the perplexed on radio 4 last week focusing on Gibraltar and also UK/EU borders in the Caribbean. Apparently the EU Caribbean Islands share cancer treatments and other essential services between them to cut costs. They are very worried about brexit.

Bit of a derail but it was an interesting program. The NI border is obviously the trickiest one of them all. What a waste of time and effort this all is. If we cancelled brexit all the government departments could concentrate on something useful, like sorting out social care or actively encouraging companies to export more and reduce our trade deficit.

It's shameful how little regard some members of our government seem to have for good Friday agreement.

amazingtracy · 28/02/2018 00:37

People in the republic are in poverty so much so that they can't go to hospitals or the dentist cause they don't have free health care.

eyeroller, Have you been reading Angelas ashes again? Grin
I'm Irish (not Dublin) and not in poverty thank you! And there IS free healthcare for those who qualify!!! There always has been!!
Like the NHS, the HSE is under pressure!

Sweetie, your name suits you-But I'd think you'd suit calling yourself amadán better!

caroldecker · 28/02/2018 00:44

The thing SOME brexiteers had about free movement was not about people coming over, visiting etc, but getting jobs, school places etc without any govt control. I hear no-one saying there will be an issue with EU citizens travelling to the UK, whether via NI or elsewise. Only that they will not be able to work etc.

BMW6 · 28/02/2018 00:52

As Ireland is an island what would be the outcome if it were decided that the best solution all round were that NI were divorced from RUK?

CantSleepClownsWillEatMe · 28/02/2018 01:06

How would that be done BMW6??

Monty27 · 28/02/2018 01:07

Some posters on here are speaking out of ignorance and twaddle.
Many of you I am pleased to read are speaking intelligently and experience.
See? A border has to be manned so to speak and I am afraid that will mean occupation again. And wreck the years of setting up the peace process. Despite what nay sayers say, actually most people in Ireland enjoy the relationship between them.
SOMERVILLE and others I applaud your posts.
Maryz amongst others, I am more than disappointed.

LivLemler · 28/02/2018 04:51

As Ireland is an island what would be the outcome if it were decided that the best solution all round were that NI were divorced from RUK?

Bluntly, the resumption of civil war. The whole point is that about 50% of the population view themselves as British (while the other half identify as Irish).

The loyalist paramilitaries are just as likely to kick off over an unsatisfactory outcome as the republicans.

There is in no way enough support for any change in NI's constitutional position (in any direction) for it to come about peacefully, imo.

Shutupanddance1 · 28/02/2018 05:42

@eyeroller have you ever been to Ireland?

That ‘defunct’ language is used on a daily basis where I am from so you can bugger off on that.

No idea why the Brexit crew feel like Ireland should be taking responsibility for this a bit - it was UK decision so you guys should have to pay for it. Simples.

ragged · 28/02/2018 06:14

If a border is imposed around the Occupied six counties the Peace Process will suffer. ...Surely nobody would be so stupid.

Just the 17 million who voted Leave would be that stupid.

Herculesupatree · 28/02/2018 06:33

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Bettyfood · 28/02/2018 06:40

I didn't vote to leave the EU and am happy with things as they are and that this issue is a massive pain in the arse for Brexiteers and the DUP. Hahahaha!

I'm sorry if it becomes a pain in the arse for NI/Ireland.