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to ask for trans threads to stay in Feminism?

345 replies

yawning801 · 23/02/2018 17:11

Just that, really. This isn't meant to start a debate, or be goady in any way. I've just hidden the Feminism board to avoid the trans threads but they're seeping into AIBU (like this one I suppose Grin) and other places too and I'm trying to avoid them! Can we keep trans threads in Feminism please? TIA

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HotCrossBunFight · 23/02/2018 18:20

So what are you doing aboit it other than whining on mumsnet?

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 23/02/2018 18:22

YABU I don’t look at the feminism boards so would know very little about the issue if it was confined to the feminism board.

AnxiousPeg · 23/02/2018 18:22

No, you're right, sparklingbrook - can't fault your logic there. But it certainly seems from some of the vehement responses, and the desperation to hide this important issue, that some posters, including the one I mentioned, do not indeed give a fuck .

Can you imagine if loads of posters wanted to hide every thread about another issue that affects people's hard-won rights?

newyearfabulousness · 23/02/2018 18:23

EleanorXx's is a dim handmaiden, for a start. But you can add to that anyone who thinks discussion of this issue is transphobic, anyone who thinks bepenised male sex offenders belong in a prison for women and anyone who uses the word TERF about another person. All these things qualify a person for dim handmaiden status.
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VladmirsPoutine · 23/02/2018 18:24

Can I just add again for the millionth time that I don't regard 'TERF' as a slur or offensive. If it means that I have the capacity to consider gender and sex issues critically then so be it.

GrockleBocs · 23/02/2018 18:24

Dobby you actually sound like you'd be fine on the threads. I don't think is any desire to equate the TRAs pushing for Self ID with the ordinary transexual people. And there is agreement that this movement will ultimately harm the quiet transexuals living happily amongst people of the sex that they would like to be. It's happening already. The TRA movement brand them as Truscum I believe.

Bejazzled · 23/02/2018 18:25

So what are you doing aboit it other than whining on mumsnet

Ah, whining
A favourite word for putting women with an opinion in their place - typically used by those who hate women

Sparklingbrook · 23/02/2018 18:26

But you can't make people read things on here. People can hide whichever threads they want, that's what is good about MN, you can pick and choose what to chat about.

Loads of posters don't use MN in order to have a heated debate about something every 5 minutes.

Hiding threads on a chat forum does not equate to hiding the issue.

AnxiousPeg · 23/02/2018 18:29

No one is saying who should or shouldn't hide anything sparklingbrook Confused

This is about people demanding that all 'feminist' stuff be kept neatly in a separate place. Which is offensive on a number of levels.

Hellothereitsme · 23/02/2018 18:29

Op I was like you once. Now, having read up on it here on the brilliant MN I think it should be discussed everywhere. I’m frightened to discuss it in real life so really glad it is being discussed here and that some very strong brave women are working really hard in real life to bring it to the publics attention.

Sparklingbrook · 23/02/2018 18:29

That's me told. Grin

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Beetlejizz · 23/02/2018 18:31

Of course I'm sure I will now be told that I am a handmaidens or some other derogatory name because I don't agree with the idea that all trans people are horrible misogynistic arseholes.

Speaking as the first one to drop the H bomb, personally I'm more interested in why you think people talking about changing rooms, female penises etc are a small minority. I don't know whether they are or not, I don't know of any evidence (do you?) but I find it more significant myself that we're facing a prospect of a change in the law to reflect their views. Ie, the level of influence they have is evidently majority status even if the number of actual individuals isn't. Wondering is this something you were aware of?

HotCrossBunFight · 23/02/2018 18:32

If all the feminism stuff shouldn't be kept in one place then why do we have a feminism board?

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yawning801 · 23/02/2018 18:32

OK everybody. Thank you all for your opinions. I'm going to have another look at the Feminism board when I'm over this virus and see if I can see things from everyone's points of view. Thanks everyone, and I do see your points that self-ID does not only affect feminism.

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Beetlejizz · 23/02/2018 18:33

Can I just add again for the millionth time that I don't regard 'TERF' as a slur or offensive. If it means that I have the capacity to consider gender and sex issues critically then so be it.

By all means be ok with the use of it for yourself then Vladimir. I respect that. It doesn't actually particularly bother me if I'm called it either. It's just that someone who uses it in a derogatory way about another person has Official Dim Handmaiden Status.

ClosDesMouches · 23/02/2018 18:35

YABVU

Beetlejizz · 23/02/2018 18:37

If all the feminism stuff shouldn't be kept in one place then why do we have a feminism board?

Yet AIBU and Chat are full of discussion about childbirth, SAHPing, WOHPing and infant feeding, and we have boards specifically dedicated to those too. The reality is that it's accepted on MN that we can post things in AIBU that could also potentially go in one of the more specialised subs. Obviously people are entitled not to like that, but it's inconsistent to take this stance on feminism and not, say, the royal family.

HotCrossBunFight · 23/02/2018 18:38

And as I said upthread, I accept that but really the sheer volume of trans threads is somewhat out of control and they're all about exactly the same thing over and over. At least there are subtle differences with other topics.

AdiosPeaceOfRoast · 23/02/2018 18:39

Unfortunately the feminist section at the swimming pool, women’s refuge,doctor’s surgery, and sports team is shortly to be made open to all so you may have a shock then, OP with things you’d expect to be in one area, entering another.

toomanyweeds · 23/02/2018 18:39

Beetlejizz my understanding of TERF was someone who excludes transwomen from their definition of women. Many mumsnetters apparently do take this stance, so why is TERF an insult? Or have I the definition wrong? (genuine question, not trying to be goady)

Headofthehive55 · 23/02/2018 18:39

I agree it's needs more discussion and publicity.

Headofthehive55 · 23/02/2018 18:40

Id not read one before today. Thankfully I now have.

AssassinatedBeauty · 23/02/2018 18:41

YABU.

Never understand why some are keen to police what other people are allowed to discuss, and where they are allowed to discuss it. It takes two seconds to close a thread you're not interested in.

AIBU and Chat are for, well, chatting and discussing. About whatever anyone wants to start a thread about.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 23/02/2018 18:41

Of course I'm sure I will now be told that I am a handmaidens or some other derogatory name because I don't agree with the idea that all trans people are horrible misogynistic arseholes.

I don't think that 'all trans people are horrible misogynistic arseholes' either, but I am able to hold that opinion & also object to self ID, medical intervention for under 18s, my children being 'educated' to believe that they can magically swap sex & also to be disgusted by the TRAs.

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