@Theglobe
? Carry on - a decent discussion awaits for anyone who wishes to have one.
It’s just that no one does. They all just run in and complain that no one listens to pro-self ID posters and then disappear. Refusing even to engage with transsexuals who are willing to discuss how self ID will negatively affect them personally. Please don’t be another one who jumps in, makes an accusation (or at least a complaint about the discussion being one sided) and then vanishes...
You can’t complain the conversation is one sided if no one is willing to offer counter discussion.
I speak as someone who has considered myself a trans ally for a long long time. I even took exception to Dittany and argued with her long and hard (and she took me to task far more robustly than the current FWR tone 
). But at least I argued. At the time I had a lot of access to the trans community and did not believe at all that acceptance of mtf transexuals into women’s spaces was problematic. They were a tiny minority essentially interested only in passing. I thought I was doing the right thing and looking after the vulnerable.
Fortunately, Dittany could see where this was all going. And here we are. (She didn’t change my mind - I did what the current crop of trans allies are doing and thought she was off her man-hating rocker )
Anyhoo. I now have an employer that recognizes gender but not sex, am paid to allocate shared bedrooms by gender, with no knowledge of or recourse to biological sex, and have to attend mandatory training workshops where I have to listen to a middle aged man who has identified as a woman for two years (doesn’t identify as a transwoman) tell a room full of actual women that being trans is awful and now he can’t walk home from the bar on his own as he is scared he will get beaten up, and complaining about swimming costumes. I have yet to work out how this will impact my job, where transwomen already hold all the cards, and women none. And we should start all meetings by stating what pronouns we use, and add them to our email signature blocks. I have watched additional sponsorship money be offered to teenage ft transwomen in employment living with their parents, and not to single mothers.
In my very small town I have watched three young girls decide they were boys (and I know of many more in the wider community). One of them was one of my girl guides. Her mum was close to tears when she told me. The current orthodoxy prevents her from having memories of her daughter. It is abusive and hate speech to remember any family activity involving her child for the 14 years prior to her decision to transition. But she goes along with it because she loves her child and has been told this is what you do now.
So honestly, all you ploppers - you can be as vehemently ‘you are all mean transphobes’ as you like. I guarantee you won’t match my arguments with Dittany, because none of you even bother to engage.
But if self-ID goes through, you might well end up realizing in ten years, or 12, that.... oh.... maybe those FWR posters just might have been right. After all.