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Is this allowed?

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ThisLittleKitty · 22/02/2018 13:28

Does anyone know if this is allowed. Ex doesn't work or pay maintenance. He lives in a 3 bed housing association and rents out the rooms in the house (sleeps in the living room on the sofa so rents out 3 bedroom.) This gets him enough to live without having to work. He says he is allowed to do it and he has permission from the HA but when I spoke to the Cms and explained to them what he does and asked if they could take money from that, they said it was illegal and he want actually allowed to do it so they wouldn't be able to take any money from him. I'm not sure who is right as when I was younger my mum use to have a
Lodger and rent the box room out to him and she said it was allowed, she just had to pay a small amount to the council. Anyone know?

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Rodgerrabbit29 · 23/02/2018 13:18

How is reporting him helping the homelessness crisis. There are four people in a 3 bed house thus four people off the street.

KeepHimJolene · 23/02/2018 13:27

Hahahah you guys must be the same ones that live on that weird housing estate (see thread from the other day).

Mummyoflittledragon · 23/02/2018 13:42

That’s 24k a year he’s earning based on full occupancy. Regardless of whether or not he is allowed that many lodgers, he is not declaring his income and that is illegal. He’s allowed 7.5k tax free and has to pay tax on the remaining 13.5k. Hd has to declare his income, otherwise he is “on the fiddle” to use C8H10’s words.

Were his income taxed, you would be able to pursue him for payment. If you were to tell someone, the two avenues to pursue, I imagine, would be the HA and the inland revenue.

Lovemusic33 · 23/02/2018 13:45

Don’t report him for the sub letting (he’s probably doing nothing wrong here) but do report him for not declaring his income to get out of paying child support, or blackmail him, ask him to pay for his child or you will report him?

Mummyoflittledragon · 23/02/2018 13:45

Rodger
How is letting him get away with not paying his taxes contributing to the welfare state?

Could he perhaps house these people (or some of them) and contribute to society?

FreudianSlurp · 23/02/2018 14:01

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Twocatsonebaby · 23/02/2018 14:43

Hang on.. Isnt it illegal for him to rent out rooms while on housing association??

HonkyWonkWoman · 23/02/2018 14:47

Jesus Christ! Read the bloody thread will you!

Bluelady · 23/02/2018 14:53

OP says he's getting paid cash? Does it sound likely that he's declaring it and settling his tax bill? CMS would be able to see the money and make a claim on it if it was going through HMRC.

FreudianSlurp · 23/02/2018 14:55

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0ccamsRazor · 23/02/2018 15:03

He might wish to pay child support rather than get shopped for not declairing his 'earnings'?

Bluelady · 23/02/2018 15:06

What part f OP saying it's cash in hand don't you understand, Freudian? Is someone who refuses to pay child support going to declare cash to HMRC? Seriously?

IntelligentYetIndecisive · 23/02/2018 15:09

If he's living there, he's not subletting the whole property.

He has lodgers.

Most HAs will allow some subletting and lodgers, but he must gain the permission of the HA, must declare any income for tax and benefit purposes and must not overcrowd the property.

Four adults in a three bed house may be classed as overcrowded.

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ThisLittleKitty · 23/02/2018 16:11

He might wish to pay child support rather than get shopped for not declairing his 'earnings'?

I've tried to get him to pay maintenance for years, he refuses. In he's words "you shouldn't have to pay for kids you don't see" and he choses not to see them. He normally rents to students/foreign people I'm guessing that it's cash in hand I'm not actually sure.

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grannytomine · 23/02/2018 17:03

Four adults in a three bed house may be classed as overcrowded. Really, so a couple and their 2 adults kids couldn't live in a 3 bed house, that is madness.

FreudianSlurp · 23/02/2018 17:26

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Dragongirl10 · 23/02/2018 17:30

GRRRR, people like him make me sick...tax dodging/living in a social rental designed for a family/fraudulently claiming benefits/dodging child support...

I am amazed you have not shopped him for all the above, l would have, as it make a mockery of eveyone who pays their taxes and works for a living, and in addition removes yet another HA home from the market.

Bluelady · 23/02/2018 17:33

You appear to be the only person giving him the benefit of the doubt, Freudian.

FreudianSlurp · 23/02/2018 17:39

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LoveInTokyo · 23/02/2018 19:23

“Really, so a couple and their 2 adults kids couldn't live in a 3 bed house, that is madness.”

I would assume that the couple were sharing a bedroom and their adult children had one each.

Not what is happening here, since OP’s ex is sleeping on the sofa so he can rent out all the bedrooms. I think that would be classed as overcrowding and he would be unlikely to get an HMO licence.

LoveInTokyo · 23/02/2018 19:25

Freudian, there is a compelling reason to suspect he is breaking the law actually, since he need an HMO licence to have three lodgers and he probably wouldn’t get one because the council would likely say the property was overcrowded. It’s also far more likely than not that he isn’t declaring all his income for tax purposes. Let’s not be naive.

FreudianSlurp · 23/02/2018 20:04

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Thebluedog · 23/02/2018 20:08

Sorry but I’d be talking to everyone and telling them what he’s up to. If he’s allowed then it’s all good and he’s nothing to hide. Once you know that it’s all above board (if it is) then I’d be going after him for child maintenance

Hithere1981 · 23/02/2018 20:09

FreudianSlurp

He’s avoiding paying CM
He’s lied to OP about getting permission from HAnd he’s renting out rooms illegally

On balance, I think we can safely assume this man is not paying tax on the income (which is illegal in any event)

FreudianSlurp · 23/02/2018 20:13

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