Jo Cox's Husband

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I was really shocked and depressed to see this. It feels like an epidemic:

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jo-cox-husband-brendan-cox-step-down-charity-a8215951.html%3famp

He's said some things about hatred since losing his wife that were so right - but now this has come out.

It's hard not to think all men are the problem when these stories are so frequent, even though I know that's not true from the lovely men in my own life!! I'm trying to see it as a positive thing that more women are being encouraged to report these things and that's why it's in the news more, as maybe that will help younger generations of boys to grow up NOT thinking it's ok to assault women.

AIBU?

@manandbeast, thank you for your explanation, i appreciate you taking the time to respond to me.

Unfortunately it is well documented that women only reach positions of power when men allow them to i.e using the example of Theresa May, she is only the conservatives leader as no man wanted to deal with the mess which had been created by Brexit. If Brexit fails she will get the blame, if it succeeds, it be will be down to the ability of the negotiators.

Margaret Thatcher came to power in almost identical circumstances: "The Conservative Party lost power in 1974, Thatcher became a dominant force in her political party. She was elected leader of the Conservative Party in 1975, beating out Heath for the position.
With this victory, Thatcher became the first woman to serve as the opposition leader in the House of Commons. England was in a time of economic and political turmoil, with the government nearly bankrupt, employment on the rise and conflicts with labor unions. This instability helped return Conservatives to power in 1979"

Women only rise to the top (politically and commercially), when men don't want the job. I hope, with the rise of technology and social media, woman can prove themselves to not just be the "short straw".

Glass cliff phenomenon.

Mary Bell didn't sexually abuse anyone did she?

There were sexual elements.

I was talking about sex crimes.

Oh right, all men are evil, women are only evil if it fits a narrow category you decide.

The thing that worries me is that people didn't used to listen to girls/women about abuse, violence whatever. We are now in a position where they are listened to, might not be perfect but nothing ever is.

If a teenage boy is abused by a predatory female teacher he is likely to find other people are amused, some men will even express envy. If a child is abused at Guides I fear she will not be listened to as will a boy abused at Scouts because we choose to believe men are the only predators. I have heard of female nurses who have been quietly moved on in circumstances where a male nurse would have been disciplined/dismissed or arrested.

None of this means we shouldn't be aware and vigilant about males abusing girls/women but it does mean we need to accept that women do it too.

But the whole thread is about sex offences. Explicitly about sex offences.

Men are far far more likely to offend both within the home, outside the home, with children, women, men, in places of employment, "sex tourism", with people who are vulnerable etc etc etc. They are far more likely to sexually torture, degrade, murder. All of it.

I do NOT understand why you are so keen to defend these men and deflect away from their crimes.

The idea that "the vast majority of sex offences are committed by men" means "all men are evil" and is therefore ridiculous and people who want to talk about it should be ignored is a straw man constructed to direct attention away from male sexual violence, away from the victims of this violence.

You have heard of lots of cases where female nurses have been sexually abusing their patients and no action has been taken.

Sure you have.

They have cameras these days you know, and anyone can tell their stories on the internet, #metoo is anonymous. And yet STILL it's overwhelmingly stories about men. You'd think enough to believe there's a problem. Apparently not.

The idea that "the vast majority of sex offences are committed by men" means "all men are evil" and is therefore ridiculous and people who want to talk about it should be ignored is a straw man constructed to direct attention away from male sexual violence, away from the victims of this violence.

^^This. With bells on.

It’s very sad news for his children who have already lost their mother in awful circumstances. It’s also very worrying that this is yet another case where a man in a position of authority has used it as an opportunity to abuse women.

@grannytomine I don't know if you are badly educated, therefore not understanding what pp are expressing or just being deliberately provocative, but I sincerely hope you don't have daughters or granddaughters.

God forbid they tell you they have been abused - from the gist of your posts you're likely to come out and say "But not all men abuse women darling, and some (very very few anomalous) women abuse boys/men, so chin up sweetheart"

The list of men who have apologised is interesting.

Have any of them done it voluntarily? Has anyone come forward to admit that they've been a shit in the past without their hand being forced by a brave woman (or young man in the case of Kevin Spacey)?

I'm not aware of anyone but maybe someone else is?

Frank : think is just going over her head, rather than provocative - creates derail though which is a shame and happens when someone misses point so spectacularly.

'Unfortunately it is well documented that women only reach positions of power when men allow them to i.e using the example of Theresa May, she is only the conservatives leader as no man wanted to deal with the mess which had been created by Brexit. If Brexit fails she will get the blame, if it succeeds, it be will be down to the ability of the negotiators. ' not true 3 men went for conservative leader and failed

@bluepears Andrea Leadsom was the only other candidate for conservative leader. When she withdrew, TM became leader of the CP.
I am interested in who you think challenged TM in the race?

Andrea Leadsom was the only other candidate for conservative leader. When she withdrew, TM became leader of the CP.
I am interested in who you think challenged TM in the race?
It was much more convoluted than that.

Wondering how a conversation about a sexually abusive male becomes about Teresa May?! 🤔

OP, just going to read your whole thread now, but yes, 'depressed' is one of the adjectives.

'Fucking furious' also, I feel.

It's important in conversations about sexually abusive men to quickly turn the conversation instead to women who haven't sexually abused anyone but that who some poeple may not like, also turning a blind eye to the fact they're generally no worse than the men around them.

My heart sank when I saw this earlier. So bloody angry!

@bluepears Andrea Leadsom was the only other candidate for conservative leader. When she withdrew, TM became leader of the CP.
I am interested in who you think challenged TM in the race?

gove boris and fox and crabb the last 2were on the first ballot and lost gove was on the second ballot and lost

There are many many men who are not sex pests and who are polite, respectful and normal.

What sickens me is that for one reason or other, and this is either a complex subject or a very simple one, that there I one common denominator. Power. Men who get a little bit of power...wether it is the power that leads to the sex pest coming out, or the sex pest that leads to the desire for power- that's another thread

Brendan worked as Brown's adviser on international development in the past, he is at heart of left politics and knows all the right people to use as cover.

Left need to hang him out to dry or questions should be asked of why they kept quiet when he is a known 'sex pest'.

Derailing Express Train - now calling at WDIT Village via Theresa May Common and Mary Bell Station.

Hope it's granny's stop....

Hahahaha @thatwouldbe

Poor men getting such a hard time, let's turn our attention to all of those nasty women out there - one, who frankly isn't a real woman as she isn't a mother, and the other was aged 10!

So you harridan old witches, let's leave good looking, long poor suffering BC alone, he is a widow and a father of two young children, and he runs a charity, so he MUST be a nice person......

Jesus fucking wept