Jo Cox's Husband

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I was really shocked and depressed to see this. It feels like an epidemic:

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jo-cox-husband-brendan-cox-step-down-charity-a8215951.html%3famp

He's said some things about hatred since losing his wife that were so right - but now this has come out.

It's hard not to think all men are the problem when these stories are so frequent, even though I know that's not true from the lovely men in my own life!! I'm trying to see it as a positive thing that more women are being encouraged to report these things and that's why it's in the news more, as maybe that will help younger generations of boys to grow up NOT thinking it's ok to assault women.

AIBU?

Granny give me another 15 examples of women abusing at scale.

Plenty of children who grew up in care will tell you the women who "cared" for them were abusive.
Women who worked in Nazi extermination camps like Dorothea Binz, Maria Mandel, Irma Grese, there are dozens more. Could quite easily do the 15 on this alone.
Filipina women who are using their children as a source of income by prostituting them.
Aileen Wuornos
Belle Gunness
Rosemary West
Myra Hindley
Beverley Allitt
Vanessa George
Genene Jones
Mary Bell
Melanie Smith
Joanne Denehy

Plenty of women kill, torture and abuse. Maybe more men do but is it the crime or the sex of the criminal that matters?

Guardian is just Narcissus stuck by the pool.

Robust questioning reporting - none. Vanity exercise and badge worn by that can't think for themselves.

The 'Emperors New Clothes' worn by the scared of thinking (also attracts hard of thinking, but mainly scared of thinking).

Because we are all saints and never do anything wrong?

No, but we’re not raping, coercing, assaulting and abusing half of the population because of their sex every fucking day. Murdering, hurting them, throwing them off course for decades of their lives with psychological damage while we forge ahead.

We’re just not.

I heard one charmer suggest that “misandry” should be classed as a hate crime. Yes because men in their thousands are suffering incidents of “misandry” every single fucking time they attempt to exist or live their lives in public?

No they’re not.

Granny, do you know what percentage of the prison population is female? And, further, for violent crimes, what the percentage is broken down by men and women?

Do you know how many women are killed by men each week in the UK?

Or, even with a quick scan of just two news websites there was this:

About driving instructors (predominantly male industry:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-43096970

And this:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/18/emma-watson-donates-1-million-anti-sexual-harassment-campaign/ to show part of the scale.

"Granny give me another 15 examples of women abusing at scale."

Sorry I didn't phrase that very well.

When I say "at scale" I don't mean 1 person with lots of victims, I mean lots of women organising together in order to abuse on an industrial scale.

If you want to change it the numbers matter. Why do men commit more violent crime than woman by an enormous amount. In what ways does the socialization of girls lead to less violence. How do we transfer this to men. It would benefit men too surely. Or are you happy with the rate of violent crime. I am afraid your list also proves the point that women rarely do this alone, I don't recognise all the names but at least 3 were crimes committed with men. This doesnt negate the horror of those crimes but in terms of understanding, it helps no one to not speak the truth about violent crime.

Mary Bell didn't sexually abuse anyone did she?

I was talking about sex crimes.

I am a bit ? about women in very poor countries who prostituste their daughters being included. This is a vile action but it's men who are doing the actual sexual abuse, isn't it.

Here is also an interesting article about the white male identity of school shooting culprits, and cases where it is women or another ethnic background. Same case trends and percentages to

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/keeping-kids-safe/201212/school-shooters-who-are-not-white-males

"Women who worked in Nazi extermination camps like Dorothea Binz, Maria Mandel, Irma Grese, there are dozens more"

And they were guilty of sexual abuse on the same scale as the men?

WHY is it so important to you to believe that women commit sex crimes at the same rate as men?

This man, Cox, has behaved improperly from a sexual perspective, possibly illegally (he's been accused of essentially attacking a woman in a bar). It is overwhelmingly men who do this stuff, and women who are the victims. To pretend otherwise is to protect the men, there's no other reason for it.

Who wants to protect sex offenders? Why?

Where are you Owen Jones? He was very vocal during the Toby Young debacle.

Owen Jones has tweeted. Using 'allegedly' when Cox has already admitted it. Jones is a bellend.

Oh god those poor children

Finding this in the public domain one day about their dad.

It is fast becoming apparent to me that there are two types of people in the world though, men and notmen and that men take precedence in practically everything.

I was totally unaware of this until today and took BC at face value and the loving husband and father, setting up charities to continue his wife's work.

Now I feel a fool. What a golden opportunity for him, having 'left' StC, that he was thrust into the limelight and was able to set up his own charities, setting himself as Director. Constantly on TV, portraying himself as the perfect husband and father.

His comment that he is stepping down 'for the time being' seems like he truly believes he can step back into his position (of status, trust, celebrity) when the dust settles and us silly women have found something else to flap about.

Plenty of women kill, torture and abuse.

No, they don't. They really don't.

Maybe more men do but is it the crime or the sex of the criminal that matters?

There is no maybe about it. And the sex of the criminal does matter if we ever want to get to a place where we can reduce violence, as we need to think about the root causes of that violence. Which will probably be different in women and men (for starters at least 3 of the women on your list had men heavily involved in their crimes. And I'm not sure why you have included women in poverty letting men abuse their children for money in your list either).

I wonder how grannies googling is going.

Men are just getting worse IMO.
Overhearing the way some men talk about women to their friends is a real shock the kind of derogatory language used.
I actually feel men from generations before had far better values and respect.
Everyone thinks we have moved on for the better but have we really?
And yes I know women have more freedom of choice now etc but I'm talking about value and respect that men have now for women.

I was pretty shocked by it too tbh :/ Those poor children, as if losing their mother wasn't enough. I think the thread is quiet because people don't really know what to say and are upset by it. The feeling that we've all been duped I guess.

Yes, all this 'be kind' virtue signalling from this generation is still turning out to be total bullshit.

Everyone thinks we have moved on for the better but have we really?

I think we have in some ways. But the sexual revolution in some ways has encouraged foul misogyny that would have been frowned upon previously. However, it isn't that long ago that rape was purely the fault of the woman so at least we've moved on from that.

I'm not sure user.

I think that we find out more these days, people talk about things that they never did before, and with the internet people are encouraged by others stories to speak. Before victims were very islolated / never believed.

All of the news from this to #metoo to behaviour of people (male poeple, sorry granny) working for charities around the world to the 70s pop stars and slebs to rotherham to the priests who abused and so on,

This stuff has always gone on, I'm sure, but no-one knew. Men have also always abused their partners, the women told no-one out of a sense of shame.

the rock has been lifted and the stuff underneath is massive and appalling but at least we're looking now.

Same applies to mass horrors - the fact of mass rape in wars by all sides, of the terrible treatment of women and children by invading troops, of the plight of women in DRC, rape NEVER used to be mentioned. It wasn't in the history books, it wasn't talked about, it was ignored / disregarded / unfortunate and not something to be mentioned. Now, it's strarting to be talked about. This is good.

I do think that young people and children have a lot of issues coming out from the porn they are exposed to but that's a different conversation maybe. It's like as we've been "allowed" to progress in some ways (work, politics etc) we've had to be pushed down in others (expectations around grooming / sex acts).

There have always been men like Cox

30 years ago, he would not have had to resign from anything, this would not have been news.

I often feel embarrassed on Jones' behalf, particularly as he doesn't have a clue how most of us surpassed his intellectual reasoning at age 18..

It's like he came as an easy to assemble cardboard cut out with a hard drive of eternal student created to fill media space.

Hopefully one day he may have an original thought without reference to : does this fit with my image of myself and suit my vain ego?

Can only hope.

it's like how we are all meant to be more free sexually but women are still labelled sluts for supposedly sleeping around.
Think the male equivalent is probably a player?.
Not really equal is it?

This thread would be going very differently if he were a Tory

You can say that again!

Not really equal is it?

It isn't. That said I would judge a potential male partner if he'd slept with a very high number of women.