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to think about seeing Headmaster about DD's vampiric friend?

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Doctorwhosit · 16/02/2018 12:24

Never thought I'd ask for help, but I am really, really stuck.

DD (15) is not terribly socially confident at best of times. She's been involved with a friend (R) with mental health issues for two years. When R is well (seldom) they have a great time. When R is unwell (usually), she is very controlling and (I think) rather abusive. She's managed to socially isolate DD. Personally, I have seen or heard of many instances where R (who is an extremely bright girl - top in everything and musical genius) has made dramas/situations where DD's friendships were broken.

I'm not an interfering -Iworkandjustlethergetonwiththings- mum and I've been watching and waiting to see how DD would handle things, just being there for a sounding board. I've a lot of confidence in DD, she's sensible and bright. She's also very caring. Finally, last spring, DD said enough's enough and ended the friendship with R. DD started seeing other people, looked happier, marks went up, the lot. I was very proud of DD and how she'd handled her first intense relationship.

THEN R had meltdown and a teacher told DD that it was her responsibility to look after R's emotional needs and that she had to be R's friend again. This keeps being repeated by teachers at DD's school. DD is now R's slave again. Isolated. Unhappy. Anxious. Just in time for GCSE mocks, R is currently suicidal and yesterday, instead of studying her Chemistry (for which we have not only paid fees we can't afford to school, have also paid for tutor and so are eating beans on toast most of the week), DD spent her day largely talking R out of running away from home.

I finally interfered two weeks ago, when DD asked to see GP about anxiety (we did, and GP not terribly helpful). I went into school and talked to House Mistress and Tutor Group Tutor. We talked about several things and about R and about how it was inappropriate for DD to keep being made responsible for R's well being. R is seeing Counsellors, doctors, etc and is really quite an ill young lady. DD has now been referred to School Counsellor, for which I'm grateful. But when House Mistress talked to DD about her problems, she said, 'I really admire how well you look after R. If not for you, she wouldn't get out of bed in the morning.' Just telling DD, once again, that she MUST keep supporting R.

Of COURSE I feel sorry for R. But, ffs. DD should not be told by the school that she is supposed to be involved in R's care! DD having trouble sleeping, concentrating, isn't exercising, is eating cr*p, is needy and irritable. She's just at wits end. She's got no friends left. And R keeps on creating drama after drama and problem after problem to keep DD on the hook. R's ex-boyfriend (they are all three mates) was told by school counsellor to stay away from R. R won't let him go, keeps asking why, why, why he won't talk to her. DD is trapped and I see R as a poor little vampire, going around and sucking everyone dry of emotional energy.

I don't know what else to do. AIBU to think about phoning the Head's office when they return?

OP posts:
Aeroflotgirl · 19/02/2018 22:45

Drugs in the school, sounds like they are not dealing with it, trying to put the responsibility of others on your dd again.

bringbacksideburns · 19/02/2018 23:09

Wow - the school sounds terrible!

Yes everything in writing to Board of Governors.

Can't believe they spoke to your daughter about going to a cheaper school for A Levels during her mocks. What the hell has that got to do with this issue now?

I'd also ask for them to speak to this girl"s parents and ask them to get R to stop guilt tripping and pressurising your daughter so she can get on with her own studies.

It looks like they desperately want this girl's academic results to reflect on them tovtge detriment of your daughter.

Daisymay2 · 19/02/2018 23:10

Wow, just wow.
Shocked about the way the drugs and dealing were dealt with . I don't know of a school that would not have expelled the girls concerned, even though they are comparitively young. How did they even get to score on a school trip abroad? The school just seems to be lax- if not condoning of the behaviour. The lack of supervision is shocking.
I would be asking your barrister mate for guidance now.

Graphista · 19/02/2018 23:12

You know what - as they're SO focused on the money side, I'd be seriously considering suing for breach of contract. Doesn't matter the fees were paid out of a bursary, you paid fees expecting a set level of educational standards AND pastoral care that your dd HASN'T received - love to know barristers thoughts on that.

LemonysSnicket · 19/02/2018 23:48

That’s too much for 15. Why is R more important to these people than your DD? She deserves a happy, successful education too.

What an incredible daughter you have.

emmyrose2000 · 20/02/2018 07:38

The school is/has behaved disgustingly. It's rotten from the top to the bottom. The head and deputy sound like they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone run a school effectively.

I'm glad you're taking it further and I hope your barrister friend and/or whatever the relevant authority is, pulls them all to pieces.

HSMMaCM · 20/02/2018 07:38

Your DD is amazing. I know you'll be reluctant to move her when she's just about to take her GCSEs. Tell her to ignore what she sees and hears, concentrate on her work, get her exams and wave them a cheery goodbye as she heads off to a lovely 6th form.

diddl · 20/02/2018 09:12

" R is also not at risk for suicide OR self harm, she just tells people that to get attention. "

So why have they been trying to get your daughter to look after R?

" 'I wish she had gone, she would have been a steadying influence.'"
Shock

They are useless-dangerously so!

NewYearNiki · 20/02/2018 09:58

There's something not right about this.

Op openly stated R ruined dds revision time by being on the phone to her and she had to try and convince her not to run away.

Op didnt snatch that phone and speak to R herself and say I'll call the police and your parents if you are going to run away as you have mental health issues. I would have called her parents and told them to rein their dd in whilst yours was revising. And I would have kept the phone off her.

I dont understand why you've also just stood and watched it.

Trailedanderror · 20/02/2018 10:07

@NewYearNiki
Biscuit

NewYearNiki · 20/02/2018 10:16

@Trailedanderror

Thanks for your biscuit can you be any more eloquent than that.

Over years and years the op hasnt intervened either in this destructive friendship.

What a message that is giving her dd about leaving bad relationships amd friendships.

Interesting to know you'd all just stand back too and listen to a 15 year old waste her own life talking down R who is doing it for attention.

Daisymay2 · 20/02/2018 10:22

New Year Nikki
Possibly because OP did not know at the time.
My student son and a couple of friends have a similar situation with a house mate. They feel a huge sense of responsibility for the individual who has limited contact with parents. It took a cutting episode which needed A&E attendance for him to open up fully to us . Although OPs DD is considerably younger, I understand how OP felt that she could not intervene. Her daughter would have felt guilty if her firend had run away, and this is what is so dreadful about the situation - the school , who should be liasing with R's parents and dealing with her probems, are palming the problem onto DD's daughter.

Doctorwhosit · 20/02/2018 10:24

@Trailedanderror. DD not terribly communicative about this issue. It took me awhile to see R's influence. I've been quite active in trying to help DD with social isolation, just didn't see the root cause.

I think, as a family, we are inclined to over-help. OH and I having long discussions about this and have frankly told DD that we feel we've got the balance wrong for ourselves and her in the past.

I was at work on the 'running away' day and not informed until that evening. This was one of the incidents that allowed me to start understanding the true dynamic of the relationship and to start gently questioning DD further.

There is no possible way you could make me feel any more sh*t for not seeing this sooner than I already do, so fire away.

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Leiaorganashair · 20/02/2018 12:59

OP don't beat yourself up. It's easy to get a feel for friendship dynamics and spot unhealthy ones when your kids are little. Teenagers are a whole different thing altogether.

I had a very similar situation when I was about your DD's age, and my parents didn't notice. I don't blame them for that at all. Parents aren't as involved in school life or meeting up with friends outside of school at this age because the kids need to be independent. I never offered up much of my school life when my parents asked me how was school. I don't think many teenagers do. Plus social media means so much of their interactions are going on effectively behind closed doors. Teenagers make it bloody difficult for their parents to know what's going on in their lives at the best of times!

You realised what was happening and you are now acting on it. That's really all you can do. And you are being a fantastic mum to your DD by doing that Flowers

Graphista · 20/02/2018 13:14

Newyearnikki - you even got teens of your own?

As pp have said they're good at concealing what's going on, plus a situation like this appears to be a friendship with an ill teen gone awry initially, plus at this age it's a balancing act as you are having to let them have more independance, more control over their own friendships and if you push too hard you alienate them anyway, make them less likely to come to you when they need help.

Plus much of what happened, has happened at school with by the sounds of it dd saying nothing to mum because the school have been teaching her this is all normal acceptable behaviours by both them and R (to a degree).

Op can only deal with what she knows and now she does know she IS dealing with it.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 20/02/2018 13:15

Wow! Just wow!

Can your barrister pal broker a refund of fees for the year or so your daughters education and mental health has been damaged by their failure to act? No

They really are compounding their laziness and incompetence aren't they....

The headmasters comment re kids scoring drugs, during an interview with parent that their daughter is being used as an unpaid counsellor /proto adult....

during an exam break.. In the exam room... discussing fees/potential A levels with your daughter who is having anxiety treatmentAngry ... Wtaf?!

Your daughter sounds lovely....she's a credit to you...

She needs to have better pals that she can have a more equal relationship with... This girl is obviously very troubled... It needs to be professional adults supporting her....

It shouldn't be your daughter putting her education and mental health on the lone/at risk because the school are too lazy to act appropriately...

LakieLady · 20/02/2018 13:44

OP, I reckon they think you may kick up a stink and just want your DD gone after her exams. Tbh, that school sounds like it's run by a bunch of incompetent loons..

Their strategy of expecting pupils to manage the behaviour of other pupils is ludicrous.

And Capnhaddock is right about parents using their wealth to buy favourable treatment for their kids' bad behaviour. It happened in my private secondary in the 60s and it still happens in the one my niece goes to now.

We used to joke that they'd never have been able to build the swimming pool if it wasn't for all the girls that had almost been expelled.

Lizzie48 · 20/02/2018 15:05

This is wrong on so many levels. It's clearly ridiculous to expect a 15 year old to be able to look out for a friend with this level of MH issues. She's clearly out of her depth and her schooling is suffering. It's very worrying that the school are not picking up on this.

Your DD should absolutely not be put in this position.

JamPasty · 20/02/2018 17:35

Blinking heck that is terrible! Time to unleash the barrister at the governors. As to distancing strategies, I would suggest your DD keep repeating to R something like "sorry, I've been told I'm not to speak to you". Don't explain, just keep repeating like a broken record. Either that or be vaguely busy "sorry, can't talk now, gotta dash/have to phone my mum/go to the loo". Nothing that R can pick holes in or argue with. Or try looking panicked and stammering something about exams and then rushing off. You (DD) don't owe her any explanations - it's time now to just look after you.

Daisymay2 · 20/02/2018 17:45

OP
Found this on the Independent School Inspectorate website.
You will need to check whether the school is covered by them ( not all independent schools are!) As you referred to a boyfriend I am assuming not covered by the Girls School Association. Apparently if school not covered by any other inspectorate OFSTED get involved. The casual attitude to the drugs and the expectation that DD will care for R would make me think about getting in touch as there is something wrong with safeguarding!
Concerns
Concerns about a school
Concerns for the safety or welfare of a child
Queries relating to safeguarding

t: 02076000100
e: [email protected]

DartmoorDoughnut · 20/02/2018 19:46

Fair do’s this school has horrific pastoral care/management! Hope your DD is ok Flowers

Sprinklestar · 21/02/2018 14:52

Name and shame, OP?

Doctorwhosit · 21/02/2018 16:40

Dear AMAZING Mumsnet Posse

The school seems to have actually come through. I was quite tough on them, in the end, but they actually took my criticisms on board and are making changes. They're seeing R's parents today and will talk to R on Friday.

Naturally R's been getting on with her mocks. Things were so horrible for DD that I've kept her at home and she'll sit them on her own next week. I don't care. Even if DD has really crap GCSE mock results, she's a total star and I'm sure will do well in her GCSEs and make a great life for herself.

DD is already better - brighter, face clearing up, posture better. Right now, she's doing something creative off her own bat for the first time in...truly AGES. Although we all rather let her down, she appears to be bouncing back and she is a very forgiving little soul. Truly feel school have learned a valuable lesson, as have I, as has DH.

Last week, I was just watching my daughter fading away. She's back now. Thanks for all the advice. We'll be forever in your debt. I know you are busy ladies and the fact you took time to help is really...ahem...(blinking, looking up)...kind.

XXXXXXX Flowers Flowers Flowers

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LML83 · 21/02/2018 16:44

Fantastic update, glad things are improving and DD is feeling the benefits already. Well done!

billybagpuss · 21/02/2018 16:44

Yay, well done :)