To think it’s wrong of this man to film a child?

[MrsA2015]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5391341/Passenger-films-toddlers-eight-hour-tantrum-flight.html

I can see why he filmed it but for it to be put on the net is too far! I feel quite sorry for the mother she must have felt mortified

The only reason it's being suggested that he should be restrained is to stop him inconveniencing other passengers. That is exclusionary.

Are you the mother from the plane? Making people be safe is now exclusionary?? Are you serious?

He was a dangerous missile by sitting on the seat! If they'd hit turbulence he'd have been a danger to both himself and other passengers and crew. Just falling off the seat in calm flight is dangerous. I for one sure as hell don't want some kid landing on me whilst I'm in the very small confines of my aeroplane seat, especially when I'm eating or drinking.

Of course it's normal aeroplane behaviour. Do you think anyine enjoys being strapped in for up to 16 hours straight? No, but we all do it when we fly. Other babies and toddlers travel strapped into baby seats for 12+ hours on long haul. I'm sure they don't like it either, but the difference is, their parents don't just let them run around the plane screaming and climbing instead

I was under the impression that everybody needs to wear their belts for take off, landing and turbulence only. Once you're smoothly up in the air, you're permitted to take your belts off.

Likewise, babies would then be allowed to be removed from their car seat and sit on their parent's knee during these times.

So, forcing this boy to keep his on for 8 hours while everybody else could remove theirs, is exclusionary. Especially if the only reason for it is to prevent him inconveniencing (not hurting!) other passengers.

Nobody on here knows why this family were travelling or what attempts the mum and staff made to placate the little boy between this man's video takes. But i still like to think the mum reacted in the best way she knew how in order to get her child from point A to B as safely and as comfortably as possible. Yes - it seems that she could have communicated better with staff and other passengers. She could have prepared for the flight better by downloading videos or something onto the ipad instead of being reliant on wifi. So maybe this will be a learning curve for her, too.

Are you the mother from the plane? Making people be safe is now exclusionary?? Are you serious?

Who would you be guaranteeing safety for by strapping this boy to a chair for 8hours?

As stated in that NAS document, restraint should not be used when only anticipating danger. So strapping him in for 8 hours would not be justified by "Oh, but we MIGHT have hit turbulence". It should be used within seconds of serious danger actually happening. Imagine if we went around strapping everybody to chairs because of things that only MIGHT happen.

Roaming the aisles and climbing on a chair was not imposing immediate danger on anybody as far as I can tell. Severe annoyance, yes. But not danger.

was under the impression that everybody needs to wear their belts for take off, landing and turbulence only. Once you're smoothly up in the air, you're permitted to take your belts off.

Take your seatbelts off, yes, but not sit on or climb all over the tops of seats! It's also recommended you keep your bets on at all times regardless of whether the seatbelt sign is on or off as unexpected turbulence can occur at any time.

I regularly fly long haul. If it's a 13 hour flight my seatbelt is done up for at least 12 of those hours. Do I like it? No, but it's a safety issue so I do it anyway. The only reason it's off is to get up to use the toilet. Never in my wildest dreams/nightmare would I expect to see someone sitting on top of the seats, even when the plane is on the ground.

Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting, especially those referring to this little boy as ‘it’. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

FWIW I do have sympathy for the passengers as it must have been a horrible flight but I still feel more for the child and his family. The guy who posted the video on YouTube is an arsehole.

@NewYearNiki - could you give me a link to the noise cancelling headphines? They sound great. Thank you.

I wear my belt whenever I'm seated. Everyone should.

I've travelled a lot with under 4s. My babies learned to walk by 10m. We walked a lot in the aisles so hardly strapped down all the time. Who knows about bad parenting coz we weren't there... but needs of one distressed child can't outweigh an aeroplane full of other people for 8 hrs (including many other children, I notice). This shouldn't have happened.

I don't object less that anyone filmed it. It was the guy's lived experience - whether he wanted it or not.

A 3 year old that screams non stop for 8 hours and doesn't speak, almost certainly has a disability. Animal and it references are disgusting.
My son might have loud and distressing behaviour on a plane so we wouldn't take him on one unless we had to but we don't know why this child was travelling or if it was clear beforehand that the child would react severely as he did.
I have sympathy for the passengers and I know that those who have difficulties with noise ( like my son) would have found this distressing but the man who filmed this is a twat.

Very sad to hear him scream and I think quite damaging too.

I know friends who have taken the sedation route to keep their child calm so they are not tormented on the trip.

When mine were this small I packed their little backpacks with treats and surprises and it kept them calm.

it sounds horrible for everyone but must have been awful for the little boy I really think if mum had any idea he would react like that they shouldn't have flown unless absolutely necessary. it's sounds like he was terribly distressed. what if someone else with a disability that's effected by noise it would make the flight unbearable for them. I do agree if they had to fly it could have been better handled and other passengers made aware also it was dangerous for the little boy to be running like that what if a hot drink had been spilled or he's fallen from the back of a seat and been hurt.

I hate the way people are so obsessed with RIGHTS nowadays.

This child's RIGHT to fly trumped the rights of about 200 people to have a bearable flight that they've paid good money for... Nobody dare question the sanity of it. Tough tits everyone else including those sensitive to noise. Its his right.

The RIGHT of a 6ft 3 realistically male to play in Women's Aussie rules football because he says he's a woman trumps the right of the actual women who are much smaller than him and who are physically endangered as a result. And so on.

I despair.

The mother is in the wrong which ever way you look at this either

1. SN takeoff restraint started the tantrum she should not have flown with him.utterly inexcusable to subject him and other passengers to 8 hours of tantrums.
2. No SN and she is an appalling parent and filming was a very good way of exposing her

Personally I blame the parents, the child should ever have been in the flight, it’s nit only distressing for the child, but all the passengers as well, if my children had been in that flight ds2 would have had his own meltdown and he does not have disabilities, (does have loads of medical issues however) he cannot tollorate high pitched noises and on a few occasions has thrown up and completely withdrawn into hinself, it can take up to a day for him to come back to his normal self, doctors have started his fear is both physical and mental.

I don’t think he’s a dick, his comments are incredibly inconsiderate however.

I think someone is missing a trick here, inventing a calm pod for exactly this type of situation wouldn't take too much doing? Something that's noiseproof and can reduce sensory overload

It only really needs space for a few people and surely could even be invented like a tent you pull over or something??

Would save a lot of stress and embarrassment

I expect that poor boys ears began hurting and he was very frightened...

Perhaps the mom could have done a better job or possibly she knew she would make it worse and her efforts were just for the benefit of other passengers... DS I used to know doing anything would result in louder screams and getting hit that id only say stuff to try and stop others in public interfering

I know friends who have taken the sedation route to keep their child calm so they are not tormented on the trip

This really saddens me. Sedation is a chemical restraint and should not be used so willy nilly. It should not be used on someone without their informed consent just because you anticipate something might happen. As i posted earlier from the NAS document, sedation should be used as a last resort, after everything else has been tried, and not in anticipation - only when something is happening or is definitely 100% going to occur withing the next few seconds.

I hate the way people are so obsessed with RIGHTS nowadays

Personally, i am thankful everyday that i live in a country where every person has human rights, no matter what age they are or what disability they may or may not have.

That child had just as much right to fly as all those other people. Nobody's rights trump anybody else's. That child will very likely fly again. Other people with neurodevelopmental disorders will likely have to fly at some point. So neurotypical people are just a) going to have to accept it or b) actually take action and do something about it. Think how long haul flights can be more accessible for everybody. Raise awareness. Educate themselves. Offer to help a clearly distressed passenger.

He is probably autistic. It’s terrible to film him. I feel very sorry for the mother and the boy.

Why has someone just called this child a brat?

It must've been mortifying for the mother. People need to be a bit more sympathetic.

Almost like children need to be seen an not heard. Are we regtessing back to the Victorian era?

Kettle, in this case sedation wouldnt have been 'willy nilly' it was likely a one off or very occasional occurence and would have made it bearable for the child and everyone else. He was clearly very upset anyway.

Willy Nilly is drugging him regularly because you want a quiet afternoon watching Corrie.

"I hate the way people are so obsessed with RIGHTS nowadays"

I expect you would like to keep your own rights.

The parents should have anticipated this behaviour as the child clearly has special needs, a visit to their doctor for some help would have been the best thing to do, just as you would do with travel sickness
. The man was very wrong to film this and put it on line, but the parents were very wrong and selfish to expose people to this, it not as if anyone could get of the plane. Outrageous behaviour from the parents

I just don’t understand how he was allowed to fly, given that he started making that racket before take off. The crew should have removed him and his mother from the plane. I don’t know how I’d have coped with that for 8 hours.

1. This video isn't 8 hours long and I expect shows only the very worst bits: the most screaming and climbing and the mother being passive.
2. There might well have been times in the 8 hours when the mother was attempting strategies but these are not shown as they don't fit the narrative. (A narrative where a child is described as "demonic" FFS, and described as "running" when he's doing no such thing)
3. The boy himself is very distressed. The mother can't have been having fun. He's very young and this may have been his first flight. He's perhaps been calm on other flights/trains/buses. I wouldn't conclude that the mother predicted an 8-hour meltdown and went ahead anyway out of entitlement.
4. Intervention during a meltdown IME often increases anxiety and prolongs the meltdown.

I get that the flight must have been awful for the other passengers but I'm shocked at the hate displayed towards this very small distressed child. And at the judgement towards a parent in a really difficult situation. People who think they're experts because they've flown with NT children or even a different child with ASD won't be experts in this particular child.

With a child as young as that you wouldn't necessarily anticipate that reaction. You are still very much learning about your child's sn.
If we are going to start banning people because they might scream do we ban all babies?