To think it’s wrong of this man to film a child?

[MrsA2015]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5391341/Passenger-films-toddlers-eight-hour-tantrum-flight.html

I can see why he filmed it but for it to be put on the net is too far! I feel quite sorry for the mother she must have felt mortified

Then she should have got off her arse every hour or so, and tried to soothe her disabled, distressed child.

Did She not then? Because I heard quite a few attempts at soothing him on the video I watched. Have you ever dealt with a child in a proper meltdown where you can’t remove them from the situation?

Poor poor passengers.

DonnyAndVladSittingInATree

An option would have included taking a non direct flight with less time in the air.

It would be slighly uncomfortable as a passenger but

I would think the child had SEN and was really frightened. A dc who can go for hours.

I would definitely move to accommodate them better if I could.

What a wanker posting it online. A traumatised child. I feel more sorry for the mum than the passenger's, they get to eventually leave the plane and the noise ends.

Why should a family stay home as people can't handle a disabled child.

Should the child wear a disabled sign to get compassion.

Total dickhead.

the mother could have looked into sedation (eg Phernagan).

Phernagan has the opposite effect on my child, one dose and he'd have been able to fly himself to our destination without the need for an airplane

Maybe the mother has never flown with him before and didn't know he'd react in this way. Maybe the flight was unavoidable. Maybe she knows that if she tried to soothe him she will actually make the meltdown worse (this is certainly the case with my child, he has to be left to wind down on his own).

Whatever the circumstances, this other passenger had no right to film it and no right trying to shame the mother.

I've read a few recent articles which say sedation should be a last resort (for a number of disorders/conditions). Other things should be considered before medication e.g. adaptations to environment, attempting to communicate with the person to discover the cause of upset, soothing, distraction etc.

As far as I can - none of these other options were explored. I'd like to think the mum knew what she was doing. Maybe she realised that lots of communication or requests for him to sit down would have distressed him further? Maybe it was the environment/noise/over crowdedness which was causing his upset - all of which were outwith the mum's control? That why i think better communication between mum, staff and other passengers could have alleviated some of the child's and other passengers' distress. These are the people who are in control of the environment.

And what if she didn’t know in advance he was going to do it?

If he does have a disability she must have had some inkling. Perhaps given the benefit of the doubt it may have been an emergency which left her no time to get something like sedation. But she doesn't appear interested in interacting with him or soothing him or anything really. Maybe there is an explanation, I feel terribly sorry for the poor kid.

Is it definitely his mother and not a nanny?

An option would have included taking a non direct flight with less time in the air.

Could have. We don’t know her situation, financial or time restrictions.

Donny

We don't know lots of things, yet here we are on a thread with people without the full facts calling a man names for having a really really bad flight and filming it for proof.

Get off the bus and walk home would be one option, or pay for a taxi.

Walking is often an impossibility during a meltdown or where the child will walk there's a high chance they'll bolt. Taxis aren't always an option if you have no cash on you and again there's the issue of getting on the bus with a contained child into an environment where said child could bolt. The few times my child has had a meltdown on the bus I've stayed put and ploughed on for home as I know it's the quickest and safest path to calming him down.

I haven’t called him names boney. I’ve said I don’t understand the purpose of filming it.

I feel for the passengers. There was a hysterical, screaming toddler on my 9 hour flight from the UK to Singapore. I understand that it's frustrating for the parents as well, but ultimately I (and everyone else on the flight) had paid an extortionate amount for a 24 hour flight, and it was relentless.

If he was disabled, I have to wonder the parents took him on the flight and why they didn't go to their GP beforehand to see if he could be prescribed something.

Have you ever dealt with a child in a proper meltdown where you can’t remove them from the situation?

Yes I have a child with HFA, as i mentioned above, who was nonverbal until he was 5. I have dealt with DC in a meltdown, that's the point! DM was hardly "dealing with it", she was ignoring him while he played obstacle courses over people's seats on an aeroplane.

I haven’t read all posts so didn’t see your earlier comment. Like I said, the video I watched showed several attempts at the mother to calm him. The flight was eight hours long and the video only several minutes long so there will be a lot we havent seen.

I think the mother was poorly prepared for the flight. She should have arranged some sedation for the child and something downloaded onto a tablet that didn’t need wifi perhaps.

The bloke filming it is a smug prick and to keep referring to the child as ‘demonic’ is just plain nasty.

DonnyAndVladSittingInATree

Didn't say that you did call him names but others are.

I would think that he filmed it to try and get money back off the company and also to prove to friends what a nightmare it was.

The thing is the video os highly edited, so we have no idea if she tried various things several times,including trying to restrain the child in his seat OR she gave up after asking for wifi and the "calm down honey".

Yes that’s what I’m assuming too. He didn’t have to make it public though to get compensation from the airline.

If it was purely to sue the airline or get some form of compensation - the man should have been wise enough to keep it factual. Instead, he littered the video with personal attacks against the little boy. He used the word 'demonic' to describe him, fgs.

We don't know lots of things, yet here we are on a thread with people without the full facts calling a man names for having a really really bad flight and filming it for proof.

He didn’t just film it for proof, though, did he? No, he added snarky captions and subtitles and posted it online for all the world to see. It’s an appalling invasion of the privacy of a vulnerable child and his family, which the blurring of his face does not mitigate.

Why make it public?

There were lots of things that could have happened, the child was clearly distressed. But I recently took an 8 hour flight in USA with my DD, we were both ill (for different reasons) and both nervous fliers (again for different reasons) and this sort of thing would have induced severe panic attacks - so if I'd been a flight with this child and stood up and started screaming myself, what (apart from filming it) would anyone be able to do? Whose rights come first? Which need calls trumps?

Bottom line though, what he was doing was dangerous and ultimately on a plane that has to be the first consideration.

so if I'd been a flight with this child and stood up and started screaming myself, what (apart from filming it) would anyone be able to do? Whose rights come first? Which need calls trumps?

Well your screaming would have to be tolerated just the same wouldn’t it? The FAs and presumably your flying partner would attempt to calm you but ultimately there is nothing anyone could do until you land. As long as you weren’t being violent.

StaplesCorner

I suspect that if this had escalated before getting to the ocean the plane would have landed for safety.