how many transgender people do you know

[ambereeree]

Just that really. I've only met one at work a man who had the change to a woman.
From the number of threads recently it would appear that people are bumping into trans people everywhere they turn.

And yet the TRAs and their handmaidens, who whine about us all being nasty transphobs; won’t say what a woman is. Funny that. 😒

It was an interesting thread ambereeree, thanks

I am surprised that some people seem to know so many trans people. I guess that certain areas do attract more trans people - safety in numbers and a place where 'you're not the token transwomen'.

It's also been interesting seeing that many of the trans people seem much happier - although some seem to have had real difficulties. It's been an interesting thread to hear the stories of the people.

One I've met a few times. Teen DD had a buddy who is F2M (living as a girl but close friends know they have male ID). DD now finds this person tedious. Attention-seeking stuff (I know, they're teens, there's a lot of attn-seeking). I get a sense that some of the public announcement about X-gender ID was itself simple attn-seeking, and when that died down, they moved to other types of less successful attn-seeking.

My kids know abut 6 or 7 trans people like this. Mostly male to female, but a couple female to male, and they are, by a country mile, the most attention-seeking, drama-lovers you could ever meet.

As has been said, many trans people are just living their lives quietly, and bothering no-one, but yeah, there are some who just love lots of attention, and they love to 'make a point.' (Like the male to female ones insist on going into women's changing rooms.)

I have 2 daughters, and it will be a cold day in hell before I would have them stripping in a female changing room with a male to female trans in there. Nope. Just nope!

Judge me if you will, and call me what you want. I don't care.

None. I have a child!

Your point is what exactly?

Motherofasurvivor Your response None. I have a child.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Trans people are normal people. Some good, some bad. You know. Just like the general population really. You having a child has absolutely nothing to do with this.

"None. I have a child!"

That might be the first properly transphobic thing I have read on Mumsnet!

Biopsy, I still can't get my head to understand 'queer', despite reading up on it

*Boopsy.

It starts with a small group leaching over from the fem boards variously sensationalising or antagonising. Then backup arrives and they put on a merry little show with each other full of "it's basic biology" and "what IS a woman", complete with "oohs" and "aahs" and "oh my god, you're so right"s from their own crowd.

Go on then. Define a woman, and ‘anyone who feels like a woman’ isn’t an answer.
And it is basic biology. I don’t know how you can deny that.

One intimately - my ex who claimed all sorts of things (but was probably autogynephile), had his penis removed and then regretted it.

Through him, exposure to a larger group of transsexual MTF

At work in large organisation, 1 MTF fully transitioned, 1 MTF in the process of coming out

Self employed, 2 MTF. I would say both autogynephile.

I also knew a bisexual woman with acknowledged anger and violence issues who I would not have been surprised about if she had announced she was transsexual.

Shania is the only one with an answer, it seems.

Motherofasurvivor

None. I have a child Do you mean your child is trans, so you’re offended by the thread? That’s me reading between the very very few lines. 🤔

MotherofaSurvivor I have 4, children, the oldest of whom is trans. And your point is...?

Oh and, Xulishesthepilot
I have zero issues with trans people. Dress how you want, use the pronouns you want, pee where you want and use what dressing room you want, be in love with who you want.
I am not some frothing feminist who has ‘leched over’ from the feminism boards.

being female is not a ‘feeling’. Someone who doesn’t have hair straighteners and epilators is not being denied being a woman: www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/27/marie-dean-trans-prisoner-male-prison-hunger-strike

I will not meekly sit by while women’s rights are being eroded.
The right to have intimate exams delivered by a woman.
The right to be in a female only refuge.
The right to for there to only be women on women only short lists.
The right for children to grown up as they are and not have life altering surgery or treatment because of how they feel.

Nobody wants be trans. DS1 has enough shit in his life with 2 (until recently, 3) illnesses to be going on with. I still refer to him as "DS" and "him" as he hasn't asked me to do otherwise.

I reckon mother posted on the wrong thread. 😂

One mtf transitioned in 50s.

One female in 40s recently diagnosed as having autism and now identifies as non-binary.

Two young women in 20s also non-binary. These last three are very aggressive about trans issues and are triggered by the failure to use "they" all the time.

Another young woman with autism who announces that they have autism so apologises in advance if they "read" situations wrongly. Identifies as non-binary, uses "they" but is not fussed by misgendering.

Strongly suspect that the transwoman has some gender critical views and is willing to challenge the non-binary folks world view.

Nobody wants be trans

While I'm pretty sure your DS does not want to feel unhappy in his body, there does seem to be a set of men who are very happy to have found a label/pressure group to justify politically dressing up in women's clothing and getting their kicks that way. They get to have fun and come over as all oppressed too and hence get sympathy from women.
I'd say they are pretty happy to be trans.

And likewise your DS may not choose to be unhappy but misery loves company and all that, so while in previous years a group of unhappy adolescents may have persuaded themselves that not loving your body means it's a good idea to e.g. starve yourself, it's now also common for a group of unhappy adolescents to persuade other adolescents that not loving your body means it's got bits it shouldn't have.
So your DS may not choose to be trans but someone else has a vested interest in him deciding that's what's wrong with him rather than, say, anxiety, depression, struggling to adjust to being gay, or body dysmorphia.

None that I know of.

It was an interesting thread ambereeree, thanks

I agree, right up until a poster started throwing round insults

I know a few transgender people...but it really depends on the definition of 'know' when it comes to figures

it would appear that people are bumping into trans people everywhere they turn

It does seem very much a bandwagon at the moment doesn't it. Especially with the young. It's interesting that a pp brought up self harm (as in eating disorders) amongst adolescents.

Cutting was (and probably still is) popular amongst the young too. I agree that identifying as trans may be a currently acceptable way of either rejecting or coming to terms with body image.

It would be better for all to do just do away with gender completely and let people be themselves. Yes, it's true that no-one can really define 'woman' without referring to gender stereotypes which most women would rather not have anyway.

People are people. Let them dress how they want and behave how they within the bounds of the law without having to call themselves transanything.

One. F to M teen.

Fairenuff - I completely agree.

We should scrap the GRA which is a nonsense as you cannot change your biological sex so that is just plain bad law.

Everyone should be entitled to identify as they wish.

Sexual separation for biological sexes should apply in areas such as sports and prisons where they can be easily quantified. Also in applications for jobs, AWS etc