What's with all these transgender threads?!

[pancakequeenisheretosaveyou]

No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life

Am I missing out on something here??

We now seem to have another one of the threads the OP was asking about...

I am all for be who you want to be. I will call you a 'she' if you have a penis and genuinely want to be a she. If your birth name is fred but you want to be a freda, I will call you Freda. I think if the 'perfs' on here have misplaced anxiety about it all. A man with a penis who feels like a woman in cubicle next to me, doesn't bother me. (I find more worrying situations with men wanting to be men in a bar on a night out)
However, there are paedophiles and rapists who will abuse this ruling! But they will always find a way to abuse the systems to be the lowest of the low. I may be way off the mark as to why they are so angry about it! But that is what I see about it.

If you have no problem with trans people like I keep hearing then what is the problem with using the pronoun of their choosing? You know that they would find it insulting for you to use the wrong one. If you have no problem with them why insult them?

I have no problem using the pronoun of their choosing. It would be an accident if I misgendered someone and I'm pretty sure I haven't on here.

However, they are not biological females they are biological males. That's just science.

I find it bizarre. I've worked with and encountered a number of trans people in my life who have to deal with this kind of bollocks daily - like someone hasn't got anything better to do than open themselves up to abuse and stigma just so they can go and look at mumsnet users' kids in public toilets...

Skippy, what does "a man who feels like a woman" mean? What is this 'woman feeling' do you think?

I live in a green leafy village and I know 2 tran sexuals, nice people who just want to get on with their lives. I am also seeing more and more girls coming out as boys because they don't fit the gender stereotype foisted on them. I am also seeing feminine little boys described as possibly trans because they don't fit the gender stereotypes foisted on them. One of the loos near me has been changed to men and gender neutral, no ladies. Local hospitals are adopting the news speak and local politicians are not engaging in the issue. I know a few autogynephelics as well, they do not belong near women and girls and they are giving their wives a horrible time.

I have a trans womans officer near me who is only concerned with tran sissues and is aggressively anti women who don't talk the newspeak

Laws are changing that replace a biological definition of woman with a sexist stereotype that anyone can adopt.

I am not a pearl clutcher. I am a left leaning woman who has fought hard for womens rights. I care about lesbians. I hate seeing my daughter and her friends pushed into the boy box because they are not performing girl right.

Why is anyone NOT concerned? Why do women and girls matter so little to you?

‘Misgendered’ is straight out of Newspeak! Calling a man by a pronoun describing a man is not mis anything! I can see, however, that it is impolite and upsetting and I would not have a problem with trying to use the pronoun of the person’s choice, provided they at least attempted to pass as the opposite sex. I cannot accept bearded Freda being terminally offended if someone calls him ‘he’.

The reason posters refer to 'people with penises' is because trans activism is devaluing language to the extent that 'man' and 'woman' can no longer be assumed to have a clear biological basis in this debate.

If you want to talk about trans women who have not had surgery and men, it's easier to say people with penises. Sometimes you need to differentiate, and for some strange reason the old words are no longer allowed their original meaning.

This is a really important part of the issue. Language is losing meaning. A woman is now someone who says they are a woman.

@pancakequeenisheretosaveyou Am I missing out on something here??

In the interests of civilised and informed debate, these are just a couple of things that the new "trans right activists movement" are 'for', and which I am many other MNers are vehemently against. (NB. TRAs are not the getting on with life, everyday transexuals that we all immediately think of, they are misogynistic, aggressive men).

This is genuinely what is happening already, and what will become common place if self-id laws get enshrined. Do you still think we are just hateful transphobes?

1. Children are being given untested/offlabel puberty halting drugs which have no clinical research into long term side effects, but what is now being seen is sterility and prepubescent genitals for life.

1. Men with sexual fetishes round women are campaigning to be allowed access to private female spaces. There was a person who openly describes wanking (to pre-cum stage) onto toilet paper in public loos and getting off when he heard the next user wiping themself with it. He (and his ilk) wants to be given unfettered access to female toilets on his say-so.

1. Sexual offenders in jail deciding they are trans, in order to be allowed access to female prisons and female prisoners.

People are very frightened for children who are being persuaded by adult transgender pressure groups that it's easy to 'change sex'. That it's 'normal' to take drugs to stop puberty, to breast bind etc.and it's harmless (it's not). We don't agree with anorexics that they're fat and give them diet sheets. We realise that their beliefs / thinking is disordered and we try to help them.
Children experimenting with sexuality, questioning identity and struggling with puberty are being gaslighted by adults who have made their own decisions to 'trans' as adults and are now persuading children that transgenderism is the answer. For some it may be - but for others early intervention (drugs) will blight their lives for ever when they reach adulthood and realise that this decision they made as a 13 year old child has affected their fertility and body for ever.

But apparently in this great new world of ours it's transphobic to say this.

For what it's worth women, girls and lesbians would just like to live our lives as we want to, free from harassment. If you won't stand with us as we fight to retain our sex based rights then at least be glad that there is someone out there who does give a monkeys and is asking the hard questions.

Calling a transman or a transwomen by their chosen pronoun just seems respectful to me.

I know women are falling over themselves to be utterly respectful, but come on...would you feel totally 'ok I'm totally down with the trendy kids' calling Danielle here a 'she'?

Sorry, forgot one biggie.

1. Lesbian women who like to have sex with people who have vaginas etc - these women are being told they are transphobic bigots because they do not want to sleep with a transwoman who has a functioning penis, attached to a body that has not other female attributes or appearance - i.e. a man's body. This penis is now a "female penis".

It's an odd movement isn't it. It is fighting for no medication for adult males as females have willies and beards. At the same time it is making it easier for children to be medicated out of puberty and set on a road that leads to a life on untested medication and sterility. Why is that? That's odd isn't it? Worth a thought or two? Worth a bit of critical thinking?

Danielle insisted in taking a place in a women's shelter, btw.

I don’t want to be transphobic, at all, but ...

Biological males playing female sports does seem completely unfair.

But you see you that's the thing. Because if you expressed that view on Twitter, to the Labour party, in the political or public sphere you would be considered transphobic. If you expressed that view as a speaker at a university, you'd be no-platformed. If you expressed that view at a protest you run the risk of being physically attacked.

Women should be able to discuss changes to the law that have the potential to change their lives, yet the crackdown on debate is quite scary, and the speed with which transactivists' demands have been accepted, made mainstream and any opposition considered hate speech is even scarier.

Also this is one of the only forums where you can discuss this from any angle, everywhere else shuts down debate. That is not healthy. This is a mainly female forum and we listen to all points of views, if you agree that stereotypes should replace biological fact then argue the point. Don't just yell transphobe and run.

I'm fine with anyone saying that they would indeed call Danielle a she. I'd love to know the thinking process behind seeing the picture, and using the words. Because I do not understand how humans seeing something with their eyes and yet being unable to say what they see works.

Why, do you think the male-to-female contingent of trans activists are far more vocal than the female contingent? Why do they pose more of a threat than vice versa?

like someone hasn't got anything better to do than open themselves up to abuse and stigma just so they can go and look at mumsnet users' kids in public toilets

Trans-identified men commit sexual crimes at the same rate as other men - which of course means that the vast majority are not sexual offenders. However, the whole point of self-ID is that any man will be able to enter women's changing rooms etc, simply by claiming to identify as female. Can you not see any potential for abuse? Male predators go to the trouble of becoming aid workers, priests & doctors to access children. Do you think it will be too much trouble for them to claim to feel female? No proof will be needed - not even dressing like a woman.

And just to be clear, this is what happens to anyone who questions the Trans-ideology in the twittersphere...

terfisaslur.com/

It's worth a read. The 'genuine trans' community are nowhere in this, this is just violent aggressive men doing what they do, expressing extreme hatred of women. TERF is a name given to ANY woman who questions their actions, which in turn ramp up their actions.

I have zero issue with people who wish to transition fully and think they should be free from discrimination for being trans.

My issue is with the rise of militant trans activism who claim all someone needs to do is wake up one morning and say 'i am a woman/man' and that's it. Suddenly they are a woman.

What I won't accept is the rewriting of language where I am apparently not a woman, i am a ciswoman. Where someone who has lived their life as a white man with all the privilege that affords them starts felling me they know more about life as a woman than i do. Where it's all newspeak and doublethink so if you point out that a transwoman without aby transitioning is a man in a dress with a penis, not a woman, you are suddenly transphobic. This rewriting of language has been accepted and seemingly to ask any questions about self identification gets ypu branded transphobic and shut down.

It is worrying.

Most transpeople probably have very little to do with the aggressive trans lobby. I have zero issue with trans people. I have a massive issue with a powerful lobby who can openly lie about basic science and nobody can question it before the debate is shut down and you're branded a bigot.

I wish some people would read up a bit more on the issue rather than make the assumption we hate transpeople. It is the erosion of women in sport, women only lists and places of safety that self id may bring about. And for these posters that dont have a problem with men in changing rooms do you think you would feel the same about your teenage daughter being undressed in front of an unknown man who may or may not have an inner femme gender

I don't get it really. It seems to me that transgender and feminism go hand in hand. Both groups want to break gender stereotypes- allowing people to wear what they like, play with what they like, do whatever jobs they want. Gender isn't one or other, it's shades- I might be a mechanic by day and wear heels by night. That's ok whether I'm a man or woman.

People shouldn't want or have to change their sex to fit with gender stereotypes.

Why, do you think the male-to-female contingent of trans activists are far more vocal than the female contingent? Why do they pose more of a threat than vice versa?

Centuries of male privilege. They want to keep that. And they hate women because we are what they can never be.