What's with all these transgender threads?!

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No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life

Am I missing out on something here??

Raisin, thanks for your post ...I do find it hard to remember that people like you exist when the extremists charge in. Your consideration for the feelings of other women demonstrates your female socialisation.

I notebyou say predatory Male will enter anywhere they chose, to which I would observe that social norms today make that hard..the whole pub yelled when a man wandered towards the ladies. A women today can shout and scream and expect support, not accusations of transphobia it’s that potential change in society that I worry about.

Roisinxena sorry for the name autocorrect

It is not transgender people starting these threads, but women wanting to bar them from women only spaces. These are not transgender threads, they are the opposite. Transphobic threads on which some of the posters refuse to see transgender men and women as anything other than their sexual identity at birth. They dress it up though.

WOmen wanting to keep women’s space for women isn’t transphobic. Its simple logic. Calling it transphobic is bullying.

Shush your mouth women. Don't bother your little heads with issues that may affect you.

Feminism is supposed to be for equal rights for men and women, right? And yet the people on the feminism board are effectively treating transgender people as inferior. If there are only two genders, as they say, then they are not treating the genders equal at all. Surely?

Gender isn't sex.

A man who said he 'feels like a woman' is a man.
A man who says he 'feels like a woman' and had the surgery and drugs is a transsexual.

Feminism is supposed to be for equal rights for men and women, right?

No. Feminism is about the liberation of women.

And yet the people on the feminism board are effectively treating transgender people as inferior.

We don't treat them as inferior. We accept that there are times when we may need to treat them differently but that is not the same thing as being inferior.

If there are only two genders, as they say, then they are not treating the genders equal at all

There aren't only two genders. There are however only two sexes.

What are your thoughts on self ID @Feminist4?

Also if transwomen are women then please can you explain exactly how these people are women?

If a woman was to walk into the female communal changing rooms at the gym only to be confronted with one of these people then do you honestly believe the woman is a bigot for objecting to getting changed in front of them?

I used to feel the same way as the OP but now I’ve changed my mind.

A person born male who has undergone years of counselling, hormone therapies and surgery to live as a woman I would not take issue with l. For me, they are welcome in female spaces.

A person born male who’s decided to put on female clothes that morning and therefore wants access to female only spaces shouldn’t be welcomed. The majority of them are probably totally innocent but the situation is so easy to take advantage of in order to gain access to women at their most vulnerable. Self ID is a very dangerous idea.

I'm not sure about Self ID. I understand the concerns about male prisoners identifying as female to escape from the abuse in a male prison may be a cause for a concern - and undermine the genuine transgender people who transition. Ian Huntley et al are obviously extremely messed up individuals and need special help. This must not be confused with genuine transgender women and men who need to be accepted not rebutted. On the other hand - at the moment - having to live as the sex you identify with, while still being identified in all your documents as your birth sex is very damaging and difficult, so there needs to be a better way.

But ID to what extent?

'Feeling' like (like the bunce - slappo g on a wig and a frock and 'acting like' a woman and expecting everyone to call you 'Miss' for 3 days a week) or going thorough medical intervention to physical change your body to become as close a medically possible to your chosen sex.

Who gets to choose who is 'genuine' trans and who is a cross dresser?

I'm not sure about Self ID. I understand the concerns about male prisoners identifying as female to escape from the abuse in a male prison may be a cause for a concern - and undermine the genuine transgender people who transition. Ian Huntley et al are obviously extremely messed up individuals and need special help. This must not be confused with genuine transgender women and men who need to be accepted not rebutted.

That's great! So you are actually in agreement with the views of those on the feminism board.

Do you think self ID might be damaging to those with gender dysphoria? I mean if gender dysphoria is de-medicalised and everything goes down the self ID route then surely the NHS will have no reason to actually treat it via counselling and hormones, etc? Could possibly be very damaging for those who need those things.

It's the chldren of today I worry for. The emphasis on gender as the indictator of sex is bloody stupid.

I don't want to discuss self ID. I want to ask if you will accept a fully transitioned Transgender woman (hormones and surgery) as a woman?

Any possible hatred towards trans isn't for transgender people it's for the transgender activists who state ways in which they want to kill 'TERFs'. I'd say that counts as bullying and shows hatred. All this has consequences, it's a very divisive issue and the language I've seen from the trans activists is horrific.

Equal does not mean the same. If one person has an English degree and the other maths, they are differently, yet equally qualified

Men and womenare different in regards to their bodies. As feminists we want equality, not to be the same.

As part of that equality, because of the sexism in our society, it has been agreed that we can have some differences, like single sex spaces. Because of sexism. Not because of genderism.

Trans Activists are frustrated by their stigmatisation. The way their rights are being taken way by women in their fight against male dominance (a fight in which transgender women have been assigned a role they do not wish to have - as a man). Transgender women might have hoped they would be given a welcome reception to womanhood, but no, quite the reverse. This is frustrating. All marginalised groups then use tactics that are seen as unacceptable by many people, in their fight for their rights.

A fully hormonal and surgical transperson who demonstrates full female socialisation , yes. Because the full female socialisation would mean that I would be confident that if someone else became uncomfortable, then they would move away. For whatever reason.

I am aware that the actions of the activists may have made many people here less tolerant of such people. A polarisation has occurred.

There are lots of difference between that person and most of the trans community however. As others have suggested , stonewall is the best target for your concerns .

Womanhood isn’t a club, it’s a curse.

The way their rights are being taken way by women

Now I know you're on a wind up.

I'm not on a wind up. My daughter faces a huge amount of abuse from men for being transgender. It was not a 'choice' it was a drive. For my daughter being born a woman in a man's woman is a curse. Being accepted as a woman would be heaven for her.

I meant "In a man's body". Sorry.

My daughter faces a huge amount of abuse from men

So do women.

In the nicest possible way, your daughter wants to be a woman and that means she has to take the bad along with the good.

And abuse from men is all part of being a woman so she has to get used to it.