What's with all these transgender threads?!

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No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life

Am I missing out on something here??

We have no problems with trans people. We don't however want trans people included in the same category as women for things like crime statistics, statistics on gender pay and senior roles for women, crimes against women etc as that damages women and hinders our progress.

The women writing about trans issues on here are polite and bright. Sometimes you see rather nasty trans people on those threads but they just damn themselves with their own rope. They can be a bit pushy and trying to silence women and not engaging with the arguments.

I support the rights of the tiny number of people born into the wrong body to have operations although I am not sure my taxes should pay for them (if they do) but not self identity. I support the fact we should all be kind to others whoever they are.

If you're feeling strong of stomach, look at #transgirl on twitter. Be warned, it's not full of happy children finally being their best selves.

@Yawnyprawn "there is a disproportionate number of threads focused on trans issues, which makes them seem bigger than they are. "

A bigger issue than one affecting 51% of the population? Undermining the identity of 51% of the population? Reducing the safety of 51% of the population?

This isn't about trans people. It's about women.
A side effect of trans people's desire to be accepted as whatever they say they are is affecting 51% of the population.

Mumsnet is a really weird echo chamber for transphobia.

It really isn't you know. It's somewhere where women, both women who call themselves feminist and many women who do not are free to speak their minds about the huge threat to women's rights from transgender activists without being censored for saying males are not women and we have different needs.

And to the hard of thinking souls who ask why we have to be anonymous on twitter, it's because we get abuse, threats and attempts to dox and get us sacked or worse if we don't. Have a .

Every one of these threads peaks some people, so carry on

I loved the article in the Spectator the other day showing how much notice is actually being taken of women on mumsnet talking about this issue.

And I think a lot of the new threads on here have been started by Transactivists trying to shut women up about the issue as politicians are listening.

I come here much less now because it's full of it, driving me mad.

Seems such a hot topic on here. Like you, I don't think I've ever actually met a transgender person in real life. I don't fear them, and the attitude on here seems to be mostly people scared that they're taking over all of the women's areas and rights. I often wonder how it would come across if the tone of these trans conversations were applied to race topics. It doesn't give a very inclusive vibe.

I don't get it really. It seems to me that transgender and feminism go hand in hand. Both groups want to break gender stereotypes-

One of the biggest lies told about feminism is that it believes that biological differences don't exist. In a particular head-twisty way, this (wilful?) misinterpretation is now being used against feminism to take away women's rights.

If "woman" becomes a category that is based on feeling rather than biology, women will lose the "special treatment" that feminists have fought for, special treatment that is needed to ensure that women get the same opportunities as men.

And I think a lot of the new threads on here have been started by Transactivists trying to shut women up about the issue as politicians are listening

Totally agree - since that article there seems to be a lot more.

A girl in the 1970s - plays with trucks, action men, space ships. Loves robots. Only wears trousers, no skirts. In role play takes on a boys persona. Parents let her get in with it. Grows up to be gay, happy with that, now and they wears dresses and make up.

Today - this must be a man in a girls body! Psychologist, doctor, surgeon...persuasion by certain groups to go down the medical route as early as possible so that he can be come the fabulous unicorn he was born to be (twiddly twaddle).

Something not right there.

I often wonder how it would come across if the tone of these trans conversations were applied to race topics. It doesn't give a very inclusive vibe.

It's not remotely comparable. The equivalent would be a white person saying they identify as black and demanding that they should be treated as such.

I wish people would stop spouting the Ian / Lian Huntley rumour. Given that he was in the news this weekend and is still in a male prison, it’s not a fact to beat people over the head with.

hermesconrad like Rachel Dolezal you mean?

I often wonder how it would come across if the tone of these trans conversations were applied to race topics. It doesn't give a very inclusive vibe.
I'm going to dye my hair black, wear a kimono, watch/read manga and eat noodles. Ergo. I self identity as japanese.
Doesn't work does it? People would rightly call me out on it.
It's not remotely comparable. The equivalent would be a white person saying they identify as black and demanding that they should be treated as such.
Exactly! See my stupid example

Seems such a hot topic on here. Like you, I don't think I've ever actually met a transgender person in real life.

What do you think "transgender" actually means? It's probably broader than you think.

Seems such a hot topic on here. Like you, I don't think I've ever actually met a transgender person in real life.

What do you think "transgender" actually means? It's probably broader than you think.

Seems such a hot topic on here. Like you, I don't think I've ever actually met a transgender person in real life.

What do you think "transgender" actually means? It's probably broader than you think.

Apols

@theaveragewife ah yes, that ONE lady who pretended to be black. No, that's not what I meant. I meant the hateful anti-trans comments. Why not talk about gays that way? Or Muslims? Don't think those threads would stay up for long.

This issue about "men" using women's bathrooms, just wondering how the same people opposed to that feel about lesbians using women's bathrooms. If it all comes down to sexual preference and that's the only reason you're all so concerned, how is it any different? If it's all because of sexual preference then it's safe to say that all the transphobes are homophobes too.

Well lesbians are women. It's not the same thing at all, is it?

This is one of the only places on the internet where discussion is actually allowed. #nodebate is rife everywhere else.

You don't like seeing it? Poor you. I don't like self ID and all the implications. Men in women's prisons. Men in women's refuges. Children being given medication that will sterilise them.

Off you pop. Go find somewhere else to spout your nonsense. This is serious.

@Ereshkigal no, that's not the reason though is it. The reason for the outrage is people feel threatened by having "men" in women's only spaces. And what is the reason for that? Sexual preference. And what is the sexual preference of lesbians? The same as straight men. If you're threatened by straight men then surely you should be threatened by lesbians too?

Fekko- please don't pigeon hole girls who play with trucks as growing up to be gay. Trucks don't affect sexuality. Playing with trucks doesn't mean the girl is a boy or the girl is going to be gay. It just means the girl likes trucks.

I wish people would stop spouting the Ian / Lian Huntley rumour. Given that he was in the news this weekend and is still in a male prison, it’s not a fact to beat people over the head with.

It nearly shows up the problem inherent in self ID. Whether Lian goes into a women's prison or not. Prisoners with GRC are automatically housed with the opposite sex. So no.