What's with all these transgender threads?!

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No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life

Am I missing out on something here??

I have never seen any transphobia pittcue Do you actually understand the issues that are being discussed wrt self ID? And what that could mean for you or your mum or your daughters etc?

I am amazed that people will still say they don't care as they haven't any issue with a specific transperson they know and then go on to admit they don't read the threads. So a large group of people here are all hysterical? No interest in trying to understand what they perceive as a problem? Seems to me to be deliberate ignorance.
And it is not toilets or changing rooms, please stop dumbing down the discussion. It is about making feelings law, shutting down debate, ignoring concerns and if you don't acknowledge biological sex exists, how can you see sexism?

I also wonder if the amount of trans threads is just turning people off? I rarely read them any more as there's so many.

I can't see any real activism. Lots of talking here, some arguing on twitter and the embarrassing 'I'm a woman- hear me rooaaar'. I haven't seen anything in real life.

I do have my views on self identification and refuges/ prisons etc and have discussed and debated it on other corners of the internet. No point here- you don't want to hear it.

And it really pisses me off when the "right on gals" call me a pearl clutcher.

We do nerrsnerr

Personally I’ve found those threads very informative and if you care to read them you will see that they are not anti- trans or about the use of public toilets but a much bigger and worrying issue surrounding my rights as a woman being eradicated for a minority group rather than giving them their own separate protected rights which is very much advocated on these threads.

Yes and there also seem to be a lot of tedious threads moaning about how many trans threads there are.

You know how to scroll past stuff you're not interested in, right OP?

@LolitaLempicka maybe some want to hear it, but the vocal majority don't and will shout you down or ridicule you (the sea-lion thread).

I don't see what some of you are seeing. On AIBU, I don't see hate at all. I see an exchange of knowledge. The vast majority of people who disagree, appear on the thread screaming 'Terfs', do not explain their views without suggesting everyone is a 'hater', then buggers off again.

Hand on heart, I've never seen some write 'penis owner'. I only read AIBU, so I'd like to know which thread that is on to understand this 'transphobia', 'witch hunt' and 'hatred'.

Its worth remembering that both sides have extreme members.

I have found the threads hugely informative on a subject I knew little about and was initially going to accept,without otherwise understanding the full picture.

I have no issues with someone with a penis using a cubical next to me or my child. That happens now in the majority of leisure centres and some restaurants now. There has been no 'pearl clutching' at this. I do take issue with a minority of men and women using possible self identification legislation for their own sexual or sporting gains and not for the very important purpose intended.

I agree with most of what is included on the threads on MN about trans 'issues' but I do think some posts cross a line.

It's important that women know what is happening. Vital in fact.

I'm just not sure that repeated threads (it's been going on for a couple of years now on MN) saying the same things often by the same people is achieving anything now other than to annoy a lot of people and create the impression that this is a transphobic site when I don't agree that is the case.

I rarely go on the threads now because there's nothing new. I'm doing my talking and battling in real life.

So when I see yet another 'AIBU to think this person shouldn't be in womens sport' I do think 'no you're not but we have this thread in some form several times a week, couldn't you add this onto an existing thread?'

I've also seen simple disagreement described as "shouting down".

You can't be "shouted down" on the internet. People will read your posts. They don't have to agree with them.

I too am genuinely interested in the reasoning anyone would have in thinking that a man who says he is a woman is, in fact, female and has always been female.

Oh actually, I have seen hate. I've seen some posters use the incorrect pronouns on purpose. That is completely unacceptable and that poster must be bought to task over it.

There is no hatred. It seems anyone who doesn't agree with self id is transphobic and a hater.

Don't get me wrong there is anger but that isn't directed towards trans people purely for the act of being trans. That is towards people who are trying to remove women's rights be they trans or not.

For instance there was a database of labour members including their personal details. Created by trans people within the party to include women they deemed transphobic.

Recently there has been a court case against a trans individual who punched a 60 year old woman to the floor in Hyde park. Where feminists were trying to get the details of a talk. Thus had to be done in the day as a previous scheduled talk had been cancelled.by the venue due to threats received by the trans community.

India Willoughby declaring loudly she was a woman not with any little word in front of it but a real woman in her words on tv. She isn't she is a factual trans woman and nothing will ever change that. However much she wishes it.

Personally for me it's this. Men are the biggest killer of women (NAMALT sigh) self id provides free access for men who wish to hurt women and anyone who speaks against this is a bigot. Wolves are dressing in sheep's clothing and you want to unlock the hen house.

Could say the same for all the tedious "i hate my MIL" threads. Let's just have one big thread for every topic.

So try here nerrsnerr. If someone can explain in a coherent way, then I really want to hear it. (Plus it sounds like you have likeminded people on this thread)

Some things that are happening now in the UK:

Woman who requested a female nurse for a smear given a trans-identifying man who denied being a male when challenged.

Female prisoners, huge numbers of whom have suffered sexual abuse & DV, being incarcerated with men who have committed sexual crimes, because they identify as trans.

Children being told that girls have pink brains - using educational resources developed by a woman who had her son castrated at 16

Teenage girls having mastectomies and hysterectomies because they believe they are male.

Female athletes having to compete against biological males.

Mumsnetters are not transphobic: they are concerned about women & girls.

It's just another form of 'hate' to add to racism, sexism, anti-gay, and so forth. The filth spouted on here disgusts me and I'm surprised the owners of this forum allow it.

Oh and before people say men won't identify as trans purely for any advantages they can gain Ian Huntley wishes to be called Lian now

Being concerned about women’s rights is not at all like being racist, or homophobic. Your claim is absolutely inaccurate and very offensive NewYear..

I do wonder why there has to be thread after thread. That's why people get a bit

Sometimes it's not obvious from the thread title. So you open it up and it's a trans thread. Again.

Thank goodness for the Hide Thread function. Tidies everything up.

This isn't about ordinary transmen and transwomen. I know a few in real life and they're lovely people, and I fully support anything that helps them have an easier life.
However, both they and biological women are being thrown under the bus by a trans rights movement that has been hijacked by mens rights activists.
And I didn't realise that until recently. I thought MN was all nasty and transphobic. Instead this is where the alarm bells are starting to ring.

For me, one of the worst parts are the abuse lesbians are getting both online and in RL LGBT groups for not accepting transwomen (with penises) as sexual partners.
This is especially bad for young lesbians just coming out who want to be accepting and tolerant, and instead are being pressured into sex with penises because not doing so is 'transphobic'

Google 'cotton ceiling' or take a look at Terfisaslur.com to get an idea of the kind of language that is being thrown at biological women.

Or perhaps its the puberty blockers being given to children who identify as trans. I thought this was in very rare cases, but they're being promoted by the trans activists without those children under going extensive counselling or anything to make sure that it is definitely what's best for those children. There's a huge 'anti-psychiatrist' push from that side and instead focusing on hormones.

I thought until recently that this was just a few nasty online trolls, but it's not. These are the transwomen currently in charge of the moment, and setting the agenda.

Repeated MIL threads aren't discussing negativity around a prorected characteristic though.

That's why it's different and that's why it's coming across to some people that there is a lot of transphobia on the site.

NewYear, can you give examples of ‘filth’ being spouted on Mumsnet, please?

Hmmmm. Why do you think the number of threads might possibly have exploded recently, OP?

Is it:

1 - we all hate trans people and are egging each other on; or

2 - we are all very happy for people to dress and act however they like, provided they cause no harm. But the proposed changes in the law will have huge negative impacts for women, in terms of access to safe spaces and sport in particular, and will have unlimited potential for perverts and cheats to take advantage of it, and we do not want that. Coupled with a sudden huge rise in the aggression of the activism from a small minority shouting things like, "suck my lady dick", it scares people for the future, especially for young girls.

Now.

Which do you think it might be??!

I would also like to see the examples NewYear. I feel I am missing something somewhere.