What's with all these transgender threads?!

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No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life

Am I missing out on something here??

What about the misgendering? It happens on lots of threads, even the one about Caster Semenya. Doesn't that count as transphobia (I know Caster is not trans- but people were arguing on the thread that she was biologically male).

One long thread might be better.

I think a topic has been asked for many times but that won't happen.

I don’t want to be transphobic, at all, but I must say that some of the issues raised on these threads do concern me.

Biological males playing female sports does seem completely unfair.

And Francine, what if the male-bodied person wasn’t in a lockable cubicle but an open changing room with young girls in it, would it bother you then?

Yes NerrSnerr, I mentioned that earlier. Its completely wrong.

' I've seen some posters use the incorrect pronouns on purpose. That is completely unacceptable and that poster must be bought to task over it.'

If you were born with female genitalia I shall call you 'she', however, if you were born with male genitalia' the correct pronound is and will always be 'he'.

You could very well be 'self-identifying' as a tatty old Chesterfield sofa for all I care, your pronoun doesn't change.

It's really very simple.

It seems particularly ironic to me that the furious trans-haters on MN are convinced their cause is a progressive crusader, when they actually sound like the conservative reactionary bigots 5ey claim to abhor so much.

It’s fascinating that one branch of feminism has become so deeply conservative that it sounds like the DUP on matters of sex, gender, sexuality and personal freedom.

No one hates trans identified people

People in general are becoming more aware of the dangers of self identifying, for women, men, children, and trans identified people themselves. This is a good thing for everyone.

You see, I don't agree that view at all on the subject of pronouns. I'm quite happy to call anyone whatever pronoun they want.

If you were born with female genitalia I shall call you 'she', however, if you were born with male genitalia' the correct pronound is and will always be 'he'.

Nope, no transphobia on Mumsnet. We're all making it up.

@RadioGaGoo thanks. I know it's not everyone. There are some valid arguments being made but for most it's hard to see past some of the more hateful posters.

A person with a penis is biologically male. That's just a fact not an insult.

Babysham, this is not accurate. The feminist boards are not full of “trans-haters”, and the erosion of women’s rights is a huge backwards step. Why should one person’s “personal freedom” completely trump someone else’s?

Nerr..., no, no transphobia, just a simple explanation of biological differences in humans that are marked by differing pronouns.

Babycham, funny that, because it’s the misogynistic transactivists with their regressive stereotypes that come across as the backward, reactionary bigots IMO.

The trans cause has very successfully marketed itself until now as the latest civil rights cause, all sparkly rainbows and inclusivity and LOVE IS LOVE. But the mask is slipping. Women are waking up in their droves. We are refusing to stand for it and stay silent while our rights are bulldozed by men’s rights activism.

Hence the number of threads about an attack on women’s rights on a website used mainly by women.

A person with a penis is biologically male. That's just a fact not an insult.

If you have no problem with trans people like I keep hearing then what is the problem with using the pronoun of their choosing? You know that they would find it insulting for you to use the wrong one. If you have no problem with them why insult them?

Calling a transman or a transwomen by their chosen pronoun just seems respectful to me.

Thread after thread, you say..... ?

I'm not sure how biology can be transphobic?

I mean, ill probably use the preferred pronoun just to be polite, but technically the right pronoun for a biological male is 'he'. How is that transphobic?

The aggressive trans identified people are transphobic surely? They are trying to wipe themselves out effectively.

Yep. They're a strange bunch........also doesn't seem to have occurred to them that female to make transsexuals exist too they never seem to be on the receiving end of such venom 🤔

Personally I couldn't care less who does what with their body.

What about those doing it to a child’s body itsall..?

Militant feminists and agressive trans-promoters deserve each other.
They should all go and squibble it out on a desert island and stay there.

Personally I find it regressive to tell lesbians that they should sleep with people with penises, or gay people that it is transphobic to choose sexual partners from only one biological sex, as trans activists do.

Personally I find it regressive to tell lesbians that they should sleep with people with penises, or gay people that it is transphobic to choose sexual partners from only one biological sex, as trans activists do.

Ok, and all the lesbians are now doing that are they? Just because someone told them to?

Ok, and all the lesbians are now doing that are they? Just because someone told them to?

So it's ok to tell women to sleep with men against their will, if they don't all act on it? How progressive.

‘Transphobia’ is a silencing word. People should be allowed to discuss anything (e.g to say a trans woman is biologically male is a scientific fact).

I do think it somewhat ironic that the militant transgender movement has appropriated the silencing language of the radical feminist movement, where any challenge to an opinion is met with cries of ‘misogyny’ or ‘check your privilege’. The transgender movement is now revelling in feeling that they possess the ace of spades in the ‘ism’ top trump game.

The sad thing is women’s rights ARE being eroded by the transgender movement and vulnerable people are being put at risk. Countering this, however, will involve reasonable people on both sides of the fence getting together and accommodating one another. Screaming TERF and misogynist across the fence will only further polarise opinion.

We need less ‘safe spaces’ and more robust debate. When I read 1984 I thought newspeak was a ridiculous and humorous caricature of Soviet Russia, not a real forecast of the future.