What's with all these transgender threads?!

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No less than 7 on my active threads?? Is it just me who in real life hasn't encountered any transgender people?? And coming from the professional background that I'm in, I see a pretty varied side of life

Am I missing out on something here??

Women and girls rights may be boring but they matter to some of us, thank goodness.

Yes, I am sick and tired of them all - boring

So don't read them then
You can actually scroll on by and find a thread more to your liking rather than open them up and comment on them that they're boring,you know.....

More boring than coming on to a thread to declare it boring?

I can honestly say I have never, once, gone into a thread to say it's boring.

Disagree, yes.

But there has to be, quite literally, thousands of threads that I would find stultifyingly boring. Because they don't apply to me and I'm not interested. And I'm more than happy to leave opinion to those who have skin in the game.

I don't think anyone is deceived by people saying it's boring. They are absolutely expressing an opinion.

So revealing. Why does anyone think their opinion is worthwhile, with nothing to back it up?

Mens prisons are full of abused people too. I'm not being 'what about the menz' but having worked in female and male prisons there are very few people in either who haven't experienced some kind of chidhood trauma or abuse and or/ have a neurodevelopmenal disorder or a mental illness.

And I am passionately opposed to the fact our society imprisons previously traumatised and neglected children and that is seen as a good thing, so I'll always say it.

Women tend to get shorter prison sentences and be viewed as lower risk and them being parents is taken into more consideration than with males. More likely to have abusive experiences disclosed and considered by a court and more likely to be offered help by MH services then men - particularly as women are more likely to be diagnosed with emotionally unstable PD or complex trauma then men who present with similar behaviours and tend to be viewed as oppositional or anti social. In my experience, womens prisons are much nicer and more therapeutic environments than mens.

Which is an additional reason why men may want to self-identify or claim to be trans when it's not the case. For every 'trans prisoner' that we rail against being considered for or moved to, female prisons. There are far, far more claiming it who are ignored and not publicised. Plus a lot of seemingly genuine transwomen (as in proceeding with hormones and surgery or already in that process) who are housed in male prisons with no suggestion they'd move.

Being seen as lower risk by the criminal justice system and treated less harshly is the only 'benefit' of being a woman that I'm aware of. And it isn't much of one.

HarveyKietelRabbit
I do agree with you (but I don't think self-ID is the way forward here). But my comment was more disgust at the poster who feels that its ok to force abuse on prisoners 'because they deserve it'. I've been a foster carer for many years, and know the prisons are full of traumatised people, men, women, and trans. But I don't think its acceptable to potentially put women in danger to make it safer for trans people in cases like this (or refuges, or MHI). We can choose whether or not to use a changing room at the swimming pool. Its a different argument.

Oh God house - I don't think self- ID is the way forward at all and completely oppose it. What I was saying is for every pre-op 'trans' prisoner (usually on female hormones) placed in a female prison or considered for one, there are loads of male prisoners who are saying 'I ID as a woman' and they're ignored the same as the prisoners who claim to be Muslim now because the food is better 😀

So the idea that every male prisoner that says 'I want to be a woman now' being able to access womens prisons just isn't happening. It's the very small minority that have been 'assessed' as trans that are the issue and self-ID legislation will make it more difficult for the justice system to say no.

Ah, I see :)

TammySwansonTwo

These children are caught up in a political war and paying with their bodies

These children are being abused by their parents it’s beyond the pale

You cannot just decide to play sport in the gender that you align with. There are strict guidelines and you have to have been under hormone replacement therapy for no less than two years and continue to provide blood samples / hormone levels to the national body every year (at least in the case of the FA). In fact, natal females have on average more testosterone in their bodies than trans women.

Is that right?

Hello, I am a trans woman. I also do not like the direction that some trans activists take. I have always been respectful and have lived my life quietly and professionally, taking into consideration all feelings of people. I can guarantee that the majority of trans women and trans men, when going to the toilet, just want to pee or poo. A predatory male will enter any space without permission or due regard for the law. I belong to a gym but would not think of using the shower there, despite it being single stall, as I would not like to offend anyone. I certainly wouldn’t want to risk an accident in case a towel dropped by mistake. I therefore shower at home (at least until my final op next year). I do not engage in activist behaviour but go about my life in a calm and professional manner. I cannot help the way that I am; nobody would choose to be this way with the chance of alienating family, friends, employment etc. I don’t push anything down anyone’s throat, many people that I come into contact do not know that I am trans.

That's nice, Roisin. People like you aren't really the ones that most feminists have an issue with. I would be angry if you were up for 'best woman award' in your industry, as that is there to highlight the success of those growing up as women in a male dominated world.

It's people who loudly proclaim their right to be women, to go anywhere women go, and to have all the facilities afforded women to keep them safe and offset their disadvantage that cause problems for everyone else.

On these boards, as soon as to mention transgender, you get radical feminists claiming transgender women are a danger to them. They hijack any discussion. My daughter is trsnsgender, she just wants acceptance and to live a quiet life. The hostility on some of these boards that insist on referring to her as male us shameful.

No - women point out that some men are a risk to women and may use the proposed new roles to gain access. You've read it happening.

F2m very early get mentioned as they do seem to people who just want to get on with their lives. It's the male bullies who are telling women how to think, feel and act who are the issue here.

Transgender covers a wide variety of behavior, beliefs and lifestyles these days.

Female to male don't get mentioned as nobody tries to exclude them.

Do men perceive them as a threat - would your average man be scared of a transexual f2m?

Can you ever imagine a woman pretending to id as a man to gain access to men? If so, how - are there women rapists who would want to gain access to a mens prisons it locker rooms?

Here we go with the 'all transgender women are potential rapists' argument.

So let's exclude all vulnerable transgender women.

Who said 'all'?

There are lots of vulnerable male people in the world.

It doesn't alter the fact that women and girls need space away from male people for their safety and dignity.

@hermesconrad . Don't give me the crap about "how do the same people feel about lesbians being in women's only spaces". I was a girl guide together with several lesbians and a couple of them could not handle being in changing rooms with the rest of us and believe me the rest of us did resent sharing dressing rooms, tents and communal shower rooms with them. But they had a rigth to be there we just had to shower when they were busy somewhere else. Our leaders did have a chat with them, though.

Feminist4, believe me when I say I really don't mean this to sound patronising or rude, but you're not taking it in what Fekko and many others are saying. Please read again.

They won't. To paraphrase 'There's none so deaf as those who will not hear'.

Female to male don't get mentioned as nobody tries to exclude them.

I think you'll find that a lot of so-called inclusive feminism (you know the one that is hailed as being so accepting and progressive unlike those nasty TERFs ) does exclude transmen. I have seen it happen multiple times yet nobody pulls them up on their blatant TERFyness. Funny that.