To find this offensive? No whites allowed

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www.google.co.uk/amp/www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2018/02/12/wellness-retreat-in-costa-rica-that-bans-white-people-sparks-controversy.amp.html

I don't live an America, and I have no experience of racism in America, I somewhat understand the desire to have a "safe space" or a space to hold conversation around the issues, however the lady running it "eliminated all white people from her personal life" doesn't think white people should own passports etc

That's a lot of negativity for a "healing" retreat

The empowerment part... yeah, but the self segregation? Travelling backwards rather than forwards somewhat surely?!

Doesn’t seem any different to women only safe spaces. If it was in the U.K. it would be illegal and would have to be shut but mostly so it wouldn’t create a precedent for the other way round imo. I think it’s important to have a space where you can be yourself and aren’t surrounded by casual racism (at a minimum), especially as it’s for wellness and therefore relaxation. I think the wellness ‘community’ can be quite exclusionary and certainly doesn’t seem very diverse (looking in from the outside) so promoting that + providing a place where you don’t have to juggle being subjected to racism, micro agressions, stress etc with trying to relax is a good thing.

Her views are offensive, mabey not the black only safe spaces, but if she openly had those views in the UK, she would be in trouble with the Police, and quite rightly so. What if her children learn from that, and say those things in school, not acceptable.

A powerless person saying 'I wish all you powerful people had your rights restricted so you'd stop getting in my face' is a completely different scenario from a powerful person saying 'I think we should restrict the rights of these powerless people'

For me, prejudice + power = oppression, so white people can't be targets of racism in a world where we benefit from structures of oppression

I think that's a useful definition, but you need to find a new word for it to be the definition of. Racism already has a (different) definition. The first one google brings up:-

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Oppressed classes

Get a grip. I genuinely don't think a lot of people who spout this type of stuff know what real oppression actually is.

The problem with this intersectional identity politics is that it doesn't get rid of 'oppression' at all.

All this kind of activism really does is invert the hierarchy of identity and put the boot on the other foot.

The lady in this article wants to take away white people's passports and restrict them because of their 'oppression'.

It's interesting that those who feel they have been disadvantaged in some way are often the first to 'lace up the jackboots' (figuratively speaking) as soon as they think they have the whip hand.

It's says something quite depressing about the human condition I think.

In my personal experience, there are non more racist than blacks against blacks, whites against whites, and, on another 'racist' level, moslems against moslems..

Everybody fucking hates everybody else!

The world is crying out for 'harmony' for the HUMAN race, but instead we give the criers 'safe spaces'.

Well I want a safe space - a space where I be assured of no terrorism against western whites, where my Christianity is respected, where my food is ok for me to eat without having to painstakingly check that is NOT halal.

Does anyone know where that it is?

Ready for all your patronising racist comments that you are now going to chuck my way.

This attempt to redefine "racism" seems a bit like something out of "1984". It's an attempt to hijack an English word to advance one groups political interest at the expense of anothers.

It's racist.

I can understand the passport comment let's face it which part of the world have white people have visited that led to anything good?

What has resulted is entire groups of people displaced and wiped out, the native Americans, aborigines the different groups of people in South America. Millions of them snuffed out and we haven't even started on the exploitive resource stripping of the many lands they visited yet.

Millions of Congolese brutalised and killed for rubber, the slave trade, taking over others lands from India to the Americas and setting up the foundations for their supremecy which even to this day affects these nations. Random groups of people forced together and told they are now a country is it any wonder that some countries in Africa have been having Civil wars constantly.

And this Supremecy continues on today these nations are forced to pay tariffs if they try to sell produced goods and their raw resources are bought for pittance. Of course the west would like to Keep it this way can you imagine that these nations actually got their act together and started using their resources on their own people the cheap things we are so used to in the west would suddenly become expensive. There are many shady things done to these nations and then we curse them for mass immigration. Well let's be honest if we were in the same position as they were we would probably try it as well.

Should that woman have said what she did no I don't think she should have. But we all know there is no power behind those words.

Heron98, not to get into the wider debate as I don’t know enough about it on a world wide level, but yes that is still going on today.

DD is constantly excluded by her group of friends parents on the basis of being white/non Muslim. It itsnt just my imagination or hers, it really is happening and it’s horrible.

It's not an entirely new idea:

lincolnhillscares.org/history/

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/nypost.com/2017/06/11/the-abandoned-black-eden-is-prepared-for-a-comeback/amp/

firelightmedia.tv/movies/a-place-of-our-own-black-resorts-and-the-african-american/

What about mixed race people? Would they be allowed to go?

Well I want a safe space - a space where I be assured of no terrorism against western whites, where my Christianity is respected, where my food is ok for me to eat without having to painstakingly check that is NOT halal

Sallyarmy, the terrorists wreak havoc towards the West, but the casualties come in all colours.

moslems against moslems

Oh ey up here we go

I don't find it racist. For me, prejudice + power = oppression, so white people can't be targets of racism in a world where we benefit from structures of oppression.

There are actually some people who use that argument to 'prove' black men cannot be guilty of rape when the victim is white

Why does it bother people so much

Have you experienced racisim where it has impacted your life? you are concerned that your children will be judged by the colour of their skin? you have been told you have a chip on your shoulder becuase you feel anger about how your family was treated by society?

If you have then maybe I can see why this would bother you

notasingle totally. That attitude from Jamarcus Jackson, is disgusting. Racist, nasty and offensive.

Enthusiasmisdisturbed

Why does it bother people so much

Errrrm, because it's wrong to be racist against anyone of any colour...

What an odd question? Do you only care about things that directly affect you?

Sorry, I left out the word 'NON' racist level, regarding moslems against moslems

I mean NON racist because moslems are obviously NOT a race of people. They still hate each other though.

I think it bothers me the idea that ALL white people are so negative and damaging to black people.

None of us get a choice in the colour of our skin...

The retreat/empowerment side I can see the point of, I can even go as far as to understand why it isn't the same at all to moan "if whites did that, imagine..."

But the starting point of disliking a group of people based on their skin... I find incredibly offensive. I agree with the view somewhat that reverse racism would take an entire altering of history but I've faced discrimination due to my skin colour that I feel is unfair (we can argue over if it fits the definition of racism, or discrimination and I would say discrimination and prejudice I think) but judging a person based on their skin colour as less worthy personally is abhorrent to me and in my mind doesn't serve to move towards a future without racism but keeps the idea going that based on the colour of your skin determines your value as either a good or a bad person.

This notion that white people cant be subject to racism because 'power structures' prevent it is absolute fucking bullshit. The fact that white people buy into it is simply the epitome of white liberal guilt in a cretinous effort to self-flagellate on a daily basis.

We live in a country where the white working class (white working class boys in particular) have the poorest life prospects. That's white supremacy apparently. In the US the most economically successful ethnic group are Koreans, not whites, and even the BBC has had to admit recently that the Black community in the US has far greater optimism regarding life chances than the white communities in the rust belt. Yet, again, white supremacy in action, apparently

(www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42718303)

I'm a middle ranking white academic. There are numerous 'people of colour' way above me in the University hierarchy and whose power over me is pretty much absolute in the wider scheme of things. So if a black member of the University's senior administration decided that I should be denied a promotion because of my colour then the so-called power structures at play, which function entirely in their favour in this instance, that would dictate that their behaviour was racist. No doubt about it.

That attitude from Jamarcus Jackson, is disgusting. Racist, nasty and offensive.

And dangerous.
There's plenty of fools who will blindly follow radical ideology they read on the Internet. And also...is he raising black sons to think that way?

Racism isn't just people of different races being nasty to each other. It must involve a power structure

Poppycock

And how interesting that those who twist and turn a definition in pursuit of their own silly agenda have conveniently ignored the view that white people shouldn't have passports ...

If the lady promoted it as a safe space and empowerment and explained why it's not open to white people in a non offensive educational way, I would get that.

It's the going further to be deliberately controversial (perhaps for press, but I think more likely it's her actual views she's passionate about spreading) that leaves me feeling incredibly uncomfortable about this being marketed as a place for healing... with anger/hatred as an undertone

Enthusiasm - yep. Several times. I had flatmates at university who wouldn't socialise with us. One of their parents even wrote to the university to ask if their daughter could be moved because they didn't want her in a flat with white people.

I've been pushed into the road and called a slut by a group of Asian girls in east London.

I've been denied a seat at 8.5 months pregnant in the baking heat by ladies in full niqabs in west London who deliberately moved so I couldn't sit with them.

Ok that's not exactly on a par with how some groups of black people have been treated during history!!But it's still naive to think that white people aren't also treated badly sometimes purely because they are white/dressed in a western way etc.

I hate this redidination saying without power its not racisim is just nonsense.

If a black person goes up and scream white cunt = not racist now

But if a white woman said black cunt = racist= racist.

Thankfully UK law reconizes racisim against all races not just none white people as someone of indian origin beat up a white person while sprouting rasist terminogly and was sentinced for racially aggravated assault......