To think we should all be paying attention to the facts about Andi Dier (Rose McGowan)?

[CAAKE]

Yes, another trans thread so I know many of you will automatically say I am BU. But this is important, I promise.

Rose McGowan was involved in what can be politely called a "verbal exchange" with an aggressive and antagonistic transwoman at a book signing last week. Rose retaliated verbally and the person was removed from the building. You can watch it here:

twitter.com/popcrave/status/959218557946155008

Or just google/YouTube "Rose McGowan Barnes and Noble".

The person shouting at Rose (while she was reading from her new book about the rape and abuse she has experienced at the hands of male predators) has been identified as Andi Dier, a trans activist and campaigner. Rose is suffering a huge backlash; various venues have publicly stated that they are pulling bookings for future book tour dates citing her transphobic views. Consequently, she has now cancelled all remaining public appearances.

It has come to light that Andi Dier has a history of sexual assault with minors; young women have come forward saying Andi assaulted them at the age of 12/13/14. In addition, this Twitter thread details some of the paedophilic, fetishistic pornographic content Andi has posted online.

Warning ⚠️
This twitter link contains pornographic content that may be very upsetting to some. It is most certainly NSFW!!
twitter.com/mermaidradfem/status/959874205209776128

AIBU to think that all kinds of people, everywhere, should be alarmed that such a vile, abusive person has been able to get away with publicly attacking Rose, who precipitated the downfall of Weinstein and who was the first spark of the #MeToo movement?

Andi should be taken out of the trans debate.

Well, not really. Because the current "trans debate" centres on legal self-ID. And legal self-ID would mean Andi is as trans as anyone else - because Andi and the law say so. Along with all the other paraphiliacs. There would no longer be any distinction.

Andi, and his ilk, are the trans debate.

Andi should absolutely NOT be taken out of the debate. Not because of what Andi has done (either to Rose, or allegedly to lots of teenage girls) but because the trans community has backed Andi because Andi is trans.

The transactivists don't give a shit about what Andi has done, is doing or Andi's view of women. They will support Andi, with no questions. Just as they will support all trans prisoners, no matter what they have done. And support all men who say they are women, even if their actions show that they are despicable people.

Which means they should be taking a long hard look at themselves.

I feel so sorry for Rose.

I have no issue with "the trans community" as in the trans people who just want to get on with their lives.

But the activists, the ones who are trying to erase women's rights; yes I have an issue with them.

Unquestioning support for the likes of Andi, not to mention Marie Dean, Davina Ayrton, Michelle Martinez and so many others is just not ok.

I've also in the past been a bit about the linking of trans issues with paedophilia, but some of the stuff from Andi and other trans identifying males is a bit worrying.

And it's even more worrying that these individuals are backed 100% by transactivists, and those speaking out are silenced.

Again I say - I have no issue with ordinary trans people, especially full transexuals, who are just trying to live their lives. But the vocal ones, the ones getting the laws changed, their behaviour and beliefs are pretty shocking.

*Andi should be taken out of the trans debate.

Because a tiny minority of (apparent or actual) criminals should not be a serious let alone shaping force in society.

It does a massive disservice to the majority of the trans community otherwise.*

I’m not so sure. I followed a few threads tonight on twitter. I couldn’t believe what i was reading - the response from the trans community as each new aspect of this unfolded. It’s like observing some alternative universe where everything we expect is topsy turvey. Rose has dared disobey, she is not conforming to the required trans thought and must be punished, destroyed.

I've also in the past been a bit hmm about the linking of trans issues with paedophilia, but some of the stuff from Andi and other trans identifying males is a bit worrying.

I first thought of this in a debate about puberty blockers, and have not been able to get it out of my mind ever since. This huge push to be keeping children prepubescent until the age of 18 (when they go ont cross sex hormones), its basically creating 'legal children'. Something very insidious about it all. A definite dark underlying reason for so many older people being for the medicalization of children. Especially when these older people have no apparent want to transition themselves.

They both lost it and were both OTT. I think rose has prob had enough having to talk about her experiences so much and needs some rest. It’s got to be tough doing that every day in front of people and have people ask you anything or everything

Throwing myself in the ring here! I have been lurking these threads for over a year and contributed nothing, and have been continuously conflicted by both arguments. NO LONGER!!! I have just peaked 100%. That video and the revelations about this individual sent a chill down my spine and my DH agrees, it was a terrifying watch. If this is what we face from the TRA’s, we as women are in for some serious and disturbing times ahead.

Rose McGowan? You are my new Hero. I will buy your book asap.

God I can only hope god allows more mainstream people to peak trans.
Jesus. That man is abominable.

I agree that Rose seems completely wrung out. I feel like I want to offer her the spare bedroom in our little cottage, make her some homemade soup, run her a nice hot bath and tuck her up in bed. She seems on the edge of her strength right now.

I first thought of this in a debate about puberty blockers, and have not been able to get it out of my mind ever since. This huge push to be keeping children prepubescent until the age of 18 (when they go ont cross sex hormones), its basically creating 'legal children'. Something very insidious about it all. A definite dark underlying reason for so many older people being for the medicalization of children. Especially when these older people have no apparent want to transition themselves

Yes. This has occurred to me too especially after it was revealed that 16 year old Jazz Jennings has ended up with prepubescent genitalia and there isn't much the doctors can now do about it.

Yanbu. I've just been following it on twitter, it's disgusting!

I hope to god she's got good people around her at the moment. She seems so so fragile and i would hate for these fuckers to break her

CAAKE.
That sounds lovely and v thoughtful. She seems so vulnerable and bravado is the front.

It just seemed so male - "I don't give a fuck about your rape, what are you doing for ME?!" (I'm paraphrasing but that's what it comes down to.)

Someone described Rose McGowan as "one of the worst people on the planet" on a Jezebel thread - and mind you, this was under information that this transwomen is a sex offender. And I've noticed that very few people ever contradict or say anything against these statements, the most they will do is give an anonymous like to anyone who does speak up.

YANBU.
Andi peak transed my entire DF today. We've had a serious talk. Before it was patient sighs and eye rolling. Not now.

Rose did not 'lose it'. Rose reacted with a fight or flight response to a perceived attack, as any reasonable person would expect from a survivor.

People who cannot see that are not equipped to make decisions about men being able to access Rape Crisis or DV services.

YANBU. Men can get away with anything at all now - violence, burglary, rape, child porn - if they say they are women. It’s a new victimhood cloak and it’s being abused mercilessly by scumbags like this man.

I've just looked at that thread. I've seen some dark stuff on the web in my time but that's among the worst of it. I feel sullied now. What a sick fucker he is. And we are supposed to call him a woman? Fuck off.

I imagine they're attacking rose because she's been brave enough to stick her head above the parapet and seek justice for herself and other women. she's a strong woman. The TRAs don't like that. These men would be the ones fighting against womens votes 100 years ago. because they actually hate women. We see what they're doing. Erasing women and our experiences. We see you.

Wake up people - how can you not spot the fettish and abusive element to so much of Trans culture ?

Onthelist - that is a really disturbing though about the puberty blockers. I also feel they are wiling to throw children under the bus to increase the minority of trans, to validate / justify their demands of inclusion into womens spaces and also their own existence ie its not a fetish if so many people are like this.
Also i do feel a lot of the screeching and abuse / verbal violence that they are hurling at women is symptomatic not just of misogny but serious personality issues

I also find it astonishing that the trans narrative is: children should be given hormone blockers and genital surgery but older trans people calmly and firmly keep hold of their genitalia intact. It is so scary.

I cannot believe this is not being picked up by the mainstream press. It is so shocking.

This whole thing has made me remember about another similar individual that I encountered a few years ago.

I’m a listener of a podcast called Harmontown, which is done in front of a live audience. A few years ago they were talking about Trans issues and they had someone from the audience who identifies as a Transwoman come up from stage, now from their audio description this person was a lesbian man with a beard and multicoloured long hair and dress. He said that he had no intention of have a surgery. I’m very liberal so I was very much a live and let live person, so whatever makes you happy.

In a future episode the podcast was talking about what should be done with Paedos who haven’t committed a crime yet and if they should be offered empathy, the hosts of the show were split as were the audience both live and offline. I went onto the subreddit of this podcast and though everyone was mainly debating the issue of what to do with a Paedo who hasn’t offended, there was one individual who was actually arguing that there isn’t anything inherently wrong with a child and an adult having a “consenting” relationship because this person believed that children could consent and that it is society who are making them victims. This individual was also the same self identifying Transwoman from the previous episode.

I cannot believe this is not being picked up by the mainstream press. It is so shocking.

The mainstream media is fully on board with the trans agenda.

I’m so angry about the way Rose has been treated. She’s stuck her head above the parapet and she’s getting slaughtered, I wonder why?