Jacob Rees mogg at the University of the West of England (Title edited by MNHQ)

[Grrrrrsnarl]

Just watched the clip of Jacob rees mogg at Bristol university, when a few momentum activists try to cause havoc and stop him from talking

Whatever anyone thinks of this man, I have to say he was pretty gutsy going up to them, considering they are all hiding behind Balaclavas and scarves and there wasn't any security there.
Most politicians wouldn't have gone near them, let alone try to talk to them

I like him. Yes his views are controversial and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he stands up for what he believes in

Full video
twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/959529976616947712. ( Sorry only know how to link to a tweet)

I hope there will be enough lobbying for a change in the political system here. It isn't very democratic and can make ordinary people feel like they don't have a voice. What has been positive is the increase in activism on a grassroots level. I'm not talking about men in balaclavas attacking others btw. We shouldn't just quietly accept things when we can see that they're not working.

Elton its not always "cant be bothered"

www.katebelgrave.com/2018/02/intentionally-homeless-with-kids-council-will-house-the-kids-but-not-you-ie-youll-be-separated-from-them-the-hell-with-this/

The issue is that politics on both sides is toxic and hypocritical.

The Tories are for example ridiculed for private education by the left without acknowledging that there are plenty in Labour that either did themselves or send their children privately.

The Tories are criticing Labour for having no position on Brexit whilst not having one themselves.

The left criticise the far right whilst ignoring what the far left are doing.

It's all toxic.

The left was I thought their voice? In many ways they don't need a voice anymore than anyone else does.
People riot, get upset.. The poor disgruntled people managed very successful tactical voting during Cameron time.. Voting ukip in large no s to put pressure on them for referendum... Who gives a crap about ukip now? Why is Labour such a shambles! Because thier poor base has abandoned them...

Thank you faith
I have worked in industry dominated by Tory people and many of my in-laws are extremely right of centre, I get along with them easily, though my wife's cousin thinks I am the closest thing to a communist she has ever met. Her Husband, Tory councillor and son paid member of local tory party called me the red in the bed.
I am actually very easy going, most of our friends and relatives are brexiiter's and all presume so am I. I don't talk about it, they are dear friends and I lost enough people I care about is it is.
Elton I know why she was adopted, Her mum was disabled and her grandma had a brain tumour, because her mum was ill she on numerous occasions missed her pip/benefits appointments and was sanctioned, no money no food. Gran died in her sleep, mum could get out of her bed, needed granny to help her, little girl who is deaf and has development issues was left on her own. No money sanctioned week before, and her mum died in bed, no home help our council cut help 2013, CUTS, and no other family, school holidays, Easter Thank god not summer, no child at school, key work rang home no answer, she sent police. Girl found unconscious on floor, lived off water and bread for 9 days before it ran out. I believe she would have died a day later. Not really her mum's fault.
I've had a shit week funeral, meeting this little girl (She's amazing) waiting on possible wife cancer referral, delayed due to winter pressures today for another 2 weeks that 8 now. Son yesterday had to remove tongue of a fellow team player who swallow it and another lad on opposition may have broken is back, freak accident. Plus lack of sleep due to emergencies at work.
I think I may be doing something wrong on here, or even don't belong really, I was accused of being aggressive on a higher education thread, so I think I am going to leave mumsnet now, I am sorry but I only have had a CSE education, and trying to help my boys and their friends escape the confines of their home city via education brought me, accidently to mumsnet, I Google an article and it lead to here, I lurked for years. Scared to post. Then some one posted about Lord Adonis and private schools and I tried to explain Hull and surrounding areas schools.
I wished I hadn't, I try to only post on things I know about, or things we as a family have experienced. MY son will be first to go university in either immediate family, we are clueless and school is close to special measures lurking on here as helped. But I daren't start a thread or now reply, I am sorry, I enjoyed talking/debating I learn stuff, but you're scarily intelligent and my debating skills are clearly shit.
If I think of anything helpful I may add to the thread, but I feel bruised and deflated, and out of my depth, so sorry for the long post, please continue.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation

This is because its not an age or education factor causing this political schism in society as many on the left would try claim has caused Brexit or Trump or whatever.

It is a class divide. Upper and middle class white collar professionals and students who believe in open borders, multiculturalism etc living in leafy suburbs.

Lower middle classes and working classes living in city areas and carrying out blue collar work from electricians to care workers supporting tighter controls on immigration.

The former generally treats the latter with utter contempt and views them as little more than ignorant scum. Until this narcassistic viewpoint is gone the political divide will not go and that includes angsty far left latte drinking activists.

user

I enjoyed talking/debating I learn stuff, but you're scarily intelligent and my debating skills are clearly shit

Youve just described what I think about myself

Which is why i lurk a lot

Stay and keep making your comments. Ive learnt a lot about other peoples lives on here, its always interesting

It's all toxic.

What is toxic are threads like this. A thread is started quoting a news story in which all sides have not been verified. Posters wade in, in a collective act of confirmation bias. Momentum thugs they scream!, the left is closing down free speech they scream!

Then much later other sides to the story emerge. By then of course it is too late because the outraged posters have long since gone moving to the next dubious news story in which to share their insight.

The media is the same. Print stories that turn out to be false but print the retraction buried on page 27. The damage is done, people believe the original story and don't care to find the facts for themselves. And off they go - the EU is undemocratic they scream, EU army they scream!

A never ending cycle of hysteria. Shouting down rational and reasoned debate. How ironic.

That is what is toxic.

GhostofFrankGrimes Again you are only looking at it from one side.

Both the left and right need to do serious thinking.

If you can't see that then you are part of the problem, I'm afraid.

Those that defend their own 'side' blindly and can't see what they are doing aren't helping their cause one bit.

I posted a concern I have about anti semitism in a party in which my DH and I have given many hours over the years, campaigning, door knocking, but now feel we are no longer can be a part of and you make a flippent remark about keeping the thread on topic.

Those that defend their own 'side' blindly and can't see what they are doing aren't helping their cause one bit.

The hecklers were wrong. Lets not pretend this thread wasn't an opportunity for some to bash the other side.

*user

I enjoyed talking/debating I learn stuff, but you're scarily intelligent and my debating skills are clearly shit

Youve just described what I think about myself*

Me too Rufus!

To the untrained eye in rl I am super confident, assertive & capable - the reality is that I'm crippled with self doubt and usually shrivelling up on the inside.

When I finally realised that most people are bullshiting their way through life & are just as self-doubting as me, life became a hundred times easier!

I wish momentum could be outlawed. Anyone thinking it’s acceptable to pull on a balaclava and group together to directly intimidate a single person should have no right to a voice, it’s terrorism. If a bunch for extreme right thugs did this to JC, one he’d wet himself and the police would probably label it as hate crime/terrorism. But this is the real face of what would happen with a momentum puppet pm.

Absolutely faith

In RL i will happily argue and have a drink to make up

On here i post pictures of kittens

This thread has suddenly turned into old fashioned PARD. Love it

(Polite and Reasonable Discourse).

MY son will be first to go university in either immediate family, we are clueless and school is close to special measures lurking on here as helped.

Im pretty sure I've seen somewhere that there's grants or bursaries or similar administered by different universities for 1st generation uni-goers.

Worth looking into to (can't remember where I saw it though, soz - I think it's the individual unis rather than a centralised thing).

Is there !!!

Ds1 has just gone to uni!!

Oooh going to google

And pray i dont get distracted by pictures of kittens

Rale124
I think that is an oversimplification of the problem. (I had to spell check that).
My cousin who was educated at same poor northern comp, as me and my kids attended, is married to a Swedish girl, met whilst working in pub, both live in Sweden, married 3 kids, Brexit is scary for them. He did is degree in Sweden years later.
I know numerous upper middle class/rich people who are virtually white superpremists in comparison.
I married into a middle class extended family, I married the poor part( oh well) many private school users Sorry Dapplegrey, not all indie user are rich, they all voted for Exit, to many foreigners.
Also know many of our lower class friends voted same way. But a smaller number of each voted to remain, that's obviously why we lost.
One Thing I have learn from lurking on EU threads, from Faith, Pigletwaspoohsfriend and Rufustheraindeer also on this thread, plus the delightful Corcory, WrongTrousers, Surferjet, ThroughThickandThin, and Ghost and others, you can't make all and everyone statements. It is some and a few or the one I/We know. Because politics/EU voting is very personal and no two people are the same or vote for the same things.
Faith and I have similar backgrounds but have different politic views, I respect hers ( I hope you are a she) but I think if we meet we probably want the same things, just going in different ways to try and get it. We probably both think we are correct, but the more I talk to Faith, the more I warm to her ideas. Sorry sounds yucky.
Maybe if we all tried to put our personal ideals aside abit more we would all get to a better Britain that works for all.
If I am wrong please say so. User1471

No there isnt anything...but on a positive note i didnt post a picture of a kitten

user

I respect hers ( I hope you are a she)

I am a she - but I often have the biggest balls in the room...

My previous career was very, very male dominated - for 20 years I was often the only woman amongst about 50 men - it thickened my skin & boosted my assertiveness a huge amount.

I'll go & google Rufus

I think its done on income...

Although they sometimes offer extra help

Trouble is ds1 is entitled to extra help through his DSA

But has he gone??

Has he fuck!!

Took me 30 seconds Rufus 🙄

www.thescholarshiphub.org.uk/blog/first-your-family-go-university

If you google 'bursaries for first generation undergraduates' there are links to different individual universities which do them (they're locally managed by the university as far as I can make out)

I think you misunderstood faith

I found it

Its just that his uni doesnt offer it