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Jacob Rees mogg at the University of the West of England (Title edited by MNHQ)

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Grrrrrsnarl · 02/02/2018 23:18

Just watched the clip of Jacob rees mogg at Bristol university, when a few momentum activists try to cause havoc and stop him from talking

Whatever anyone thinks of this man, I have to say he was pretty gutsy going up to them, considering they are all hiding behind Balaclavas and scarves and there wasn't any security there.
Most politicians wouldn't have gone near them, let alone try to talk to them

I like him. Yes his views are controversial and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he stands up for what he believes in

Full video
twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/959529976616947712. ( Sorry only know how to link to a tweet)

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FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 04/02/2018 22:06

I've said repeatedly on this thread (as have many others) that I am diametrically opposed to most of JRM's politics & beliefs btw.

It may be difficult for some to accept that defending JRM's right to speak freely is not a defence of his views - but that is the case.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 04/02/2018 22:08

I still cant believe several posters are here trying to defend violently shutting down free speech, just because they dont like it.

Which posters?

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 04/02/2018 22:09

and yet..

And yet... what?

He is allowed to speak & air his views & opinions - this is a free country.

Why are you so opposed to freedom ghost?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 04/02/2018 22:12

Don't be obtuse Faith.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 04/02/2018 22:15

Obtuse?

Me?!

Just taking tips from you dear 😘

user1471450935 · 04/02/2018 22:18

Faith
You have never gone to bed hungry then, never watched your mum/dad decide whether to turn on the lights/oven or immersion heater. Or whether to eat themselves or feed me or my brother. We didn't have a council house because the Tory council didn't have any for us. It was shit'
So if you came from my background and can vote for a party happy to expand food banks, I so glad I am not like you.
I would even wish JRM to go to bed hungry for one night, let alone 4 years whilst my mum worked 3 jobs and my dad retrained a teacher, after learning O/A levels in this 40's at night school as his manual job was lost.
You lived a life of riley compared to my wife and I, maybe that's why we vote and contribute to charities to end poverty, not increase it like you and most on this thread

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 04/02/2018 22:28

User - as I said to you in a PP, my childhood was similar to yours.

My kids get free school meals now as my income is so low that I don't even earn enough to pay tax.

Quit with the competitive poverty, it's irrelevant.
I have not defended JRM's politics or beliefs - just his freedom to speak.

PinkertonSmythe · 04/02/2018 22:38

GhostofFrankGrimes

How very dare people hold and express opinions that diverge from the lefty groupthink! Grin

Oh, wait, we live in a free country, so bad luck trying to shut us up.

BrownLiverSpot · 04/02/2018 22:51

Jrm speaks from a position of power so it is worrying to hear his views on matters as he has more influence than the average person or even an average backbench mp. If may is on her way out there is a real threat that jrm, bojo or equivalent is on their way in. That is what probably worries most of us here.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 04/02/2018 22:53

But you won't apologise about your rudeness over Yorkshire.

I wasn't rude about Yorkshire. If anything you were rude about Yorkshire. I actually pointed out a few facts about Yorkshire which were a bit inconvenient for your narrative. So yet again another attempt to shut down an opposing viewpoint.

I live in Yorkshire and I am very familiar with people with your views and know plenty of people from both left and right who don't have much time for people who try and do the county down and pretend it is stuck in some type of 80s time warp and is nothing more than some sort of post industrial wasteland.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 04/02/2018 22:54

You know user. You're kind of proving the point about the left wing. Thin skinned, unable to tolerate opposing viewpoints and in a perpetual state of offence.

Dapplegrey · 04/02/2018 23:04

User147, I don't remember you being rude to me - was that on the education thread?
I think you've just been quite rude to Faith, though.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 04/02/2018 23:08

I couldn't give a toss if he's rude Dapple Smile

I'm pretty thick-skinned & perfectly comfortable with being disagreed with.

user1471450935 · 04/02/2018 23:14

Faith
You do believe in JRM policies and beliefs, you are a brexitter, and you voted Tory and on the Brexit arms thread you constant support surferjet's love of all things Boris/Gove.
Those two want JRM as chancellor, due you.
I am sorry your situation is so poor, my wife only pays £50 tax, but I work every day overtime to earn a living wage so mine will never know hunger.
I probably could reduce my tax bill, like most Tory's supporters do, but I want a decent support for kids like yours, so I happy pay £16000 tax out of my £43000 earnings to help others.
I am no champagne socialist, I have been a member of TWGU, GMB and now RMT. Wife is in Unison, zero payrises since 2010.
I have supported women's refuges, been spat on by NF/BNP supporters for helping refugees and eastern Europeans. Can a N word lover for going out with a mix race girl and a frog for having a ex who was French, none by people voting labour/socialist parties.
I bet if people like us worked together Britain would be a better place, but you hate remainers, I am one and socialists, no but I am close. So I go on fighting and slowly abandon hope of winning a better Britain, which was promised to my grandfather's generation by a certain C Attlee in 1945. Which all governments since Churchill have failed to produce, so maybe lets have a revolution and wipe out 100 of years of right wing/upper class bollocks and start again. IT can't be any bloody worse.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 04/02/2018 23:30

Faith
You do believe in JRM policies and beliefs, you are a brexitter, and you voted Tory and on the Brexit arms thread you constant support surferjet's love of all things Boris/Gove.

I said I don't support all of his politics/beliefs.

I agree with his Brexit stance.

I did vote Tory (but my MP is not JRM).

I do support surferjet - I like her, we share a sense of humour.

I like Boris, JRM & Gove - is that a crime?

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 04/02/2018 23:32

I bet if people like us worked together Britain would be a better place, but you hate remainers, I am one and socialists

I don't hate remainers.

I don't hate socialists.

user1471450935 · 04/02/2018 23:39

Elton
You said I knew nothing about Yorkshire and regeneration, I clearly know Yorkshire I live in Holderness. But the east coast of Yorkshire isn't Leeds or Sheffield. I love my county, I want all of it to be like your Leeds/Sheffield but it isn't, and sorry it has a long way too go'
Dapplegrey I felt like I was rude in my defensive reply.
I certainly was not meaning to be rude to Faith but couldn't see why any one would vote to increase kids living my childhood if they had lived themselves.
I hate that Britain can still allow girls to live like that, and I am going to bed, probably to dream of an utopia where no child ever ends up like that girl, But I won't be holding my breath as too many Politian's and the general voting public couldn't give at shit, as long as they have low taxes and are free to do what they like, fuck society, I think Thatcher used to say. Well we have and it leads to little girls whos shot scared off going hungry in 2018.
I had a hard poverty ridden childhood, lost my brother at 21 and dad at 25. It was and is crap, so sorry if my left of centre no one should have to experience that ever again attitude upsets me. Friends introduced us today to their new Grand daughter, she is 8 and adopted, her back story made us cry, she asked for a biscuit, we gave the packet of chocolate wafers, she took one. Then took another and another and another, we watched and she put them in her pockets, Why because she still believes she may not get food again for days.
Is that something you are all proud off in 21st century Britain. Certainly cause us all to rethink all ideals, and I no longer feel like abandoning my long political views of we can do better, then the current lot of Purple, Blue, Red. Yellow.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 04/02/2018 23:41

I probably could reduce my tax bill, like most Tory's supporters do, but I want a decent support for kids like yours, so I happy pay £16000 tax out of my £43000 earnings to help others.

By the way, I don't pay tax now due to low income, but until 3 yrs ago I was earning just shy of £40k & have never tax dodged in my life.

Shit happens, circumstances change - I am grateful to the welfare state & have always supported it.

It may not fit with your view of Tories, but hey-ho.

Kokeshi123 · 04/02/2018 23:41

I disagree with a hell of a lot that he has to say.

I appreciate with the fact that he seems capable of engaging politely and non-violently with people he disagrees with. Unlike Momentum.

user1471450935 · 04/02/2018 23:43

Sorry the bit at about going to bed should have followed the little girls story, but I had 5 hours sleep in 48 hours due to emergencies and phone put in wrong place. I just hope the girl can put her early childhood in her past. She is now in safe hands. Thank god.
Good Night Sleep tight

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 05/02/2018 01:48

Hmm - it's a bit he said/he said that story tbh.

Shouty bloke (mp's aide) in bar calling his ex-girlfriend a slut then this bloke (Tory youth wing leader) gets in between them & witness says his [tory boy] hand "made contact with [aides] face, but only in self defence".

It's all a bit handbags at dawn really, and if the bloke was indeed calling his ex a slut & being a dick then I can't bring myself to shed a tear for him tbh.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 05/02/2018 01:55

Also, incident not reported to police but the party suspended him 3 weeks ago when it was reported to them - so seems it's being dealt with.

makeourfuture · 05/02/2018 06:27

Well it is an extra burden on those who want change and a more fair, better working society.

The rich and powerful do not have to strike. And march. And shout. And make little signs on little sticks.

The true nature of power is that it doesn't have to do anything at all.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/02/2018 07:04

user1471450935

You know absolutely nothing about other posters backgrounds or childhoods (other than the snippets they divulge), so please don't pretend that you do. It's insulting.