Jacob Rees mogg at the University of the West of England (Title edited by MNHQ)

[Grrrrrsnarl]

Just watched the clip of Jacob rees mogg at Bristol university, when a few momentum activists try to cause havoc and stop him from talking

Whatever anyone thinks of this man, I have to say he was pretty gutsy going up to them, considering they are all hiding behind Balaclavas and scarves and there wasn't any security there.
Most politicians wouldn't have gone near them, let alone try to talk to them

I like him. Yes his views are controversial and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he stands up for what he believes in

Full video
twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/959529976616947712. ( Sorry only know how to link to a tweet)

bertrandrussell so goady

And JRM will be leader of the Conservative Party in less than 3 months.

I really don't think so. I'm not even sure he would put his hat in the ring. He knows he is extremely inexperienced in political terms. If May goes the party will have had an extremely short term PM. He would know that following that up with an extremely inexperienced PM at a highly sensitive time would be a tremendous gamble and one which could backfire hugely and destroy him in the process. An inability to handle Brexit may well be the destruction of May who is a much more experienced politician who initially had very strong backing. I don't think he is reckless enough to take that risk.

I think he is far more likely to be part of a team bid which doesn't involve him being the leader. That would be far more pragmatic, and would also give him the advantage of keeping his powder dry and gaining experience with a view to possibly going for the leadership post Brexit when it's next available.

At the moment with Brexit and a divided party, the Tory leadership is somewhat of a poisoned chalice. And it's debatable whether anybody really wants it, least of all an inexperienced backbench MP. I have a feeling that if May is challenged, it will only be because the Brexit wing feel absolutely forced by her handling. I don't think ambition comes into it much.

I am back. FFS I said I was a dad of 2 DS, clearly, BOYS.
I voted IN 1987 Liberal, then either Liberal or SDP depending on who had best local candidate. Then LibDems and until the Brexit vote I had never voted Tory or Labour, total despise both. But since 2010, when the LibDems, sold their soul to the devil, I have heavily researched who I actually support/believe in. At last election I voted Green, supported 80% of their policies, 20% LIBS, schooling.
MY humble choice of the most honest MP and one I miss the most is Tim Farron, because he was a normal comprehensive educated man, who spoke for me
I clearly said I oppose violence and the protestors maybe wrong but I do believe in protest, I realise I said violent last night I totally apologise I was at end of a hard 12 hour shift, and really meant direct action
That's why I mentioned the suffragettes, I could add Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks, Malcolm X, Ghandi, Tony Benn and numerous others.
I said without the LIKES OF makeourfuture THERE WOULD BE no WOMEN VOTES, NHS, PENSIONS, UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS AND HEALTH AND SAFETY LAWS its not hyperbole Piglet, my 1985 history O level in social and economics, taught at bog standard comp no less, that all the above came to law under either a LABOUR or LIBERAL government, funny that.
Your brexitter wet dream team are all on public record as want to lower workers rights( already lower union rights to strike) get rid of H&S and put millions on the gig economy
I totally get why Corbyn is starting to be popular as people like me, don't ever get anything from government.
blair was TORY policy with a red rosette, Cameron was TORY policy with a pretend Hug, May is UKIP with a blue rosette
If the LibDems had gone for the female candidate I would have joined as a member, BUT VINCE CABLE is another failed banker.
My grandfather said a country gets the leaders/politicians it deserves. Well we are truly FUCKED, if the JAMS of the world are relying on this shower of shit.
Ps I have twice stood in front of my grandparents next door neighbour to stop him hitting his wife and kids, 1st tme I was14 and helped my dad, second time 19 and drove the lady and kids to the local women's refuge. I have a son who volunteers for local police, at college we worked with the local Muslim group to help victims of honour attacks, we hid a girl in our loft.
But as a man I am evil, I want as my boys do for all women to be equal to men, I hate JRM because his views are to take women back to the dark ages, I have a wife, mother in law and nieces who are worth 100 of Jacob Rees Mogg.

I totally get why Corbyn is starting to be popular as people like me

Well if your a remainer, then you need to do your research, he lead a 3 line whip on the party for a start, has been an ardent brexiteer for all of his political career with comments remarkably similar to Farage over the years.

There is also the very sticky situation that if Labour were to come out as pro EU, they would lose a substantial vote bloc that would make winning marginals impossible.

@Squeegle Are you calling @BertrandRussell goady? Just to clarify.

I voted IN 1987 Liberal, then either Liberal or SDP depending on who had best local candidate

The liberals & the SDP were very fringe, post 1988.

user14714509 - (may I call you 147?)
Are you the same poster who recently wrote at length on the iniquity of private schools and the variation on quality of state school according to where they are?

Yes I know faith but we had 2 SDP local councillor's under 2005ish, who did more for our area then the local shits in the Tory party ever did. In general elections I voted LibDem because our candidate was local lived next town and used to be my form teacher. The Tory's just bus in latest tosser from boarding school, who complains when his own government shut local hospital, but votes for the policy in Westminster, thinks us northerners are stupid.
I maybe wrong, often are, but since I was 10 in 1979 all future governments have been a shade of TORY, ALL HAVE SHAT ON YORKSHIRE, from a great height, SO CORBYN gives people a chance to try something different. My eldest walked past a Corbyn soapbox by accident last general election, he was 17, he came home enthused by him. He is offering something different mum/dad he sounds like he cares. He spent all of the referendum canvassing for remain.
JUST when DS was asked what you mentioned he said we lost that battle, now we win the war against Tory cuts. Sounds like my friends of the eighties. But with social media and kids now voting they may be right

I said without the LIKES OF makeourfuture THERE WOULD BE no WOMEN VOTES, NHS, PENSIONS, UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS AND HEALTH AND SAFETY LAWS its not hyperbole

It is hyperbole.

Let's leave aside the fact that you have compared a man who goes onto a forum mainly for women and lectured them how to vote to the suffragettes.

Apart from health and safety laws, what you mention were achievements of the post-war Labour government which set up social security systems which were based on the duty of everybody to contribute to a system which would take care of the most vulnerable. They did this by via the democratic system.

They did not use the same language of hatred and division that the current left and Momentum use. They highlighted the duty of everyone to contribute and didn't resort to 'smash the rich' and 'let's kill Tory scum'.

In fact, I find it quite offensive you would compare the incredibly dignified men and women who achieved so much in that period to today's hate filled Momentum mob and people like makeourfuture.

I'm fairly certain most of them (certainly from what I remember from that generation myself) would be absolutely horrified by what Momentum seem to envision as the welfare state.

TORY, ALL HAVE SHAT ON YORKSHIRE

You know fuck all about Yorkshire or regional development. Have you not noticed Leeds turning from a provincial backwater into a developed and thriving city? Or South Yorkshire developing a highly specialised technical manufacturing sector? Or the input of our excellent universities into the local economy?

I guess you're probably one of these people stuck in 1985 banging on about the steelworks being closed and the miners strike to notice everybody else has moved on.

Dabble
Yes why. Aren't I allowed to post on more than one thing. I am a child of the eighties and a proud Holderness lad. I think I hate what Britain as become since Thatcher, I was brought up by a Liberal voting, Methodist family, which said the state should look after every equally, from cradle to grave, and you judge a society by the way it treats it weakest citizens. I am starting to wish I been brought up to believe what most on here think, money and buying privilege is best.
Though my wife and I still try and raise our boys to believe in our world view,
I am starting to give up, Ds1 18 next month, he is a brilliant lad, who does believe in similar ideals, but I think he will lose out in the long run. Though he is interested in studying war crimes module in his criminology degree courses, so once Syria and Yemen wars are finished someone can investigate like in the 1940s

It had more fire stations pre Boris.

Who the fuck are Antifa?

Haven't read all 24 pages, however clearly this was an own goal for momentum. Whatever you might think of their respective policies and beliefs, Momentum came across as bullying thugs while JRM came across as calm and reasonable during the incident at UWE. No doubt JRM and his cronies are quite pleased with the outcome. Will someone please tell Momentum goons to shut up before they lose further sympathy from the electorate by shouting down anyone who dares disagree. Personally I hate JRM and am no Tory, but I'll be damned if I would ever vote for a party aligned to Momentum who raison d'être appears to be shutting down debate. That a vote for labour lost then.

its not hyperbole Piglet, my 1985 history O level in social and economics, taught at bog standard comp no less, that all the above came to law under either a LABOUR or LIBERAL government, funny that.

What has it to do with make?

Your brexitter wet dream team are all on public record as want to lower workers rights( already lower union rights to strike) get rid of H&S and put millions on the gig economy

Yet again. I'm not a Brexiter, I campaigned for Remain.

I totally get why Corbyn is starting to be popular as people like me

Well that says more about you.

SO CORBYN gives people a chance to try something different.

Unless you are Jewish that is.

Elton
I have lived in Yorkshire for 38 years of my 48 years. I live in Holderness, have since 2000. My family have lived in Hull for over 100 years. My boys go to local school, third generation, it is a comprehensive, rated Inadequate by Ofsted.
Hull was dyeing on its feet until City of Culture.
Leeds maybe in the centre, talk you have been to the suburbs like Stannington, Hunslet,
Sheffield is a ghost town for steel compared to my youth.
Noticed to failed mention East Yorkshire, North Yorkshire, Bradford, Keighley, Featherstone, Wakefield, Castleford, Rotherham, Huddersfield, Batley, Dewsbury. York. Scarborough, Withernsea, Hornsea, Bridlington, Goole. Shall I continue.
Final point last months unemployment figure for Yorkshire and Humber side shoe unemployment RISE by 3000.
Yes Leeds/Sheffield might be okay but Yorkshire is 3 (too the old) Ridings. Not 4 counties and more CIties.
I think I now by own County, My eldest and I have travel most it for 5 years playing rugby league and union. I have been to ever place mentioned above and many many more thanks'
I want Yorkshire to be like the south east so my kids/their friens and cousins can have great lives thanks, stereotyping

piglet
I hate the way you all attacked make and all defended a man I like dislike. I thought makeourfuture was from labour, I usually read eu referendums or education threads. this thread came up on the top right corner. I read it, thought makeourfuture made fare points and was then attacked by all. Many of those like yourself and faith I recognised from EU boards I lurk on and thought here we go again. So I tried to back her up.
God knows why.
I am not Jewish no, but I have Jewish inlaws. The lady is bigoted, racist and believes all Muslims should be deported. My ex girlfriend was gang raped by a group of Jewish boys, who then got their Jewish lawyer fathers to force the police to drop the case. So I hate every thing that happens to the Jews past present and future. But I sadly know, like all humans not all are saints.

This sort of public exposure shows up what Momentum are really like. Corbyns chances of a communist utopia must be slipping away, and he came soooo close lol

Boris would be a great figurehead to lead the country, with Goves fresh thinking and JRMs popularism it would be a dream team to take us out of the EU straight jacket and into a bright new world.

You cant beat intelligent well educated people in charge, its so British. Would anyone seriously think the UK could elect a PM who cant even pass his A-levels, come on we are not America, please.

Crikey elton do you really need to be so rude and insulting?

Many of those like yourself and faith I recognised from EU boards I lurk on

Not me. I am very very rarely on them. In fact I have the board hidden.

As for make being from Labour. Well as are many others on this board. In fact until Corbyn became leader my DH and I were very active in our CLP.

Oh and this thread was nothing to do with whether people like JRM politics or not, in fact many have said they don't, however the way those masked cowards behaved at an event he was asked to speak it is disgraceful. That is the point. In fact many Labour MPs have said just that.

SO CORBYN gives people a chance to try something different.

Or a remainer....

Julie8008 I am sat here laughing with tears rolling down my cheeks at your hysterically funny post. It was a joke yes?

Boris is a complete baffoon (think Prince Phillip type of idiot), we've seen Goves fresh thinking with virtually every teacher in the country hating him and what can so say about JRM? Racist, homophobic, sexist, posh wanker.

None of these posh, privileged men have any idea what's it's like to live in the real world.

Btw Corbyn is a socialist not a communist.

I hate the way you all attacked make and all defended a man I like dislike. I thought makeourfuture was from labour, I usually read eu referendums or education threads. this thread came up on the top right corner. I read it, thought makeourfuture made fare points and was then attacked by all. Many of those like yourself and faith I recognised from EU boards I lurk on and thought here we go again. So I tried to back her up.

It's because make does nothing more than post soundbites and whataboutism, he displays as many mental gymnastics as many of the other momentum bots, also he has come out many times as a man on this forum.

One minute he is pro big business and pro banks when talking about the EU, then when JC attacks them suddenly there is more to think about than GDP of the country.

He disappears when directly asked a question, such as why Mcdonell celebrating political violence and is apparently showing a "brilliant part of our movement" is to be accepted.

Btw Corbyn is a socialist not a communist.

Is it true Socialism he supports, or does he use the term loosely, he and his ardent supporters can't seem to get a definition ie, how they describe Venezuela pre and post collapse?

User147 - of course you can post on any thread and subject - I wondered.

Lucycc, do you think all 'posh' people are wankers? I guess you do.