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Jacob Rees mogg at the University of the West of England (Title edited by MNHQ)

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Grrrrrsnarl · 02/02/2018 23:18

Just watched the clip of Jacob rees mogg at Bristol university, when a few momentum activists try to cause havoc and stop him from talking

Whatever anyone thinks of this man, I have to say he was pretty gutsy going up to them, considering they are all hiding behind Balaclavas and scarves and there wasn't any security there.
Most politicians wouldn't have gone near them, let alone try to talk to them

I like him. Yes his views are controversial and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he stands up for what he believes in

Full video
twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/959529976616947712. ( Sorry only know how to link to a tweet)

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MeYouYouMe · 03/02/2018 16:25

OnlyJoinedForThisThread
Your post is very misleading I'm not sure if it's because you are too lazy to research further or think you we are all too stupid to bother to check the facts you quote

Wow what a bitchy and snidey response. I clearly stated that posters can see full details on the link I provided. All I've done is copied and pasted what's on the TheyWorkForYou website. I've not claimed to have researched the ins and outs of J RM. The TheyWorkForYou website is often referred on Mumsnet. I find it useful. It's provides factual information with no political slant.

I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve by posting such a rude post. 🤷🏻‍♀️

BertrandRussell · 03/02/2018 16:30

I think he is a principled man too. He is admirably open and transparent about his beliefs. But his beliefs are ones that I utterly despise. So I also think he is a terrible man.

Grrrrrsnarl · 03/02/2018 16:34

Yes but he's said countless times they he doesn't inflict his views on anyone else.

They are literally his views.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/02/2018 16:35

Critical thinking is something I happen to think is widely lacking in the electorate

I have critical thinking. Hence why DH and I left the party when Corbyn became leader.

BertrandRussell · 03/02/2018 16:36

"Yes but he's said countless times they he doesn't inflict his views on anyone else.

They are literally his views."

But he votes according to them.

Grrrrrsnarl · 03/02/2018 16:40

True
But he also says that they will never come law in parliament because most don't think the same way

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Eltonjohnssyrup · 03/02/2018 16:50

But he votes according to them

He votes according to his conscience in free votes in which MPs are supposed to vote according to their conscience.

It's actually good that we have someone in parliament who has these views because it's more representative of the country as a whole.

A parliament where everybody holds the same view doesn't happen unless it's a puppet parliament in a dictatorship.

Which is where I think we're heading with the left TBH. McDonnell doesn't even seem to be making that much of an attempt to hide it.

Onlyjoinedforthisthread · 03/02/2018 16:51

VladmirsPoutine no I quoted a post from earlier (bold fail) if you read my bit at the bottom the quoted post is ill researched, lazy and misleading and 5 minutes further investigation on the posters link proves that. However I disagree with a lot of what he says , especially abortion and never changing a nappy. I don't know enough about his other beliefs to comment and as he doesn't hold any government post isn't my mp I don't have the inclination to find out so can't comment

Rebeccaslicker · 03/02/2018 16:51

Well, DA's views on white people are definitely her views. But apparently that's ok because she's not a Tory.

lljkk · 03/02/2018 16:52

"he doesn't inflict his views on anyone else."

JRM is head of a Brexit pressure group, putting heaps of pressure on how Brexit happens. An advisory vote that was very non-specific what Brexit would look like. JRM's group has very specific views what Brexit should look like and are agitating hard to get what they want. I feel VERY inflicted upon, since you mention it.

BertrandRussell · 03/02/2018 16:53

"He votes according to his conscience in free votes in which MPs are supposed to vote according to their conscience."
I agree. And I find his views despicable. Not sure why that's a problem.

BertrandRussell · 03/02/2018 16:54

"Well, DA's views on white people are definitely her views. But apparently that's ok because she's not a Tory."
Eh?

BertrandRussell · 03/02/2018 16:55

The nappy changing thing is a red herring. I strongly suspect that his wife has never changed a nappy either!

Rebeccaslicker · 03/02/2018 16:57

Just pointing out that certain posters are piling on JRM for his views, but the same posters were actively defending DA despite her views earlier.

Rebeccaslicker · 03/02/2018 17:00

As for the ludicrous comments that Boris Johnson doesn't get abuse online - just search #borisjohnson

Not many people would like to have that sort of stuff said about them.

Some people are rather blinkered in what they want to see!

VladmirsPoutine · 03/02/2018 17:01

@Onlyjoinedforthisthread I see that now. But that is his voting record.

BertrandRussell · 03/02/2018 17:02

I certainly have a problem with Abbott sending her child to private school, but I'm not clear what other views she has which would influence her voting on a free vote which I would object to. Other people will think differently of course, but my understanding is that her unwhipped voting would match Labour Party policy. JRW's unwhipped votes will frequently not match Tory policy.

derxa · 03/02/2018 17:03

These 'protesters' are despicable. That's it. What Diane Abbott has to do with it I don't know.

VladmirsPoutine · 03/02/2018 17:05

@Rebeccaslicker I was one of the DA defenders and will continue to defend her until she chooses (willingly or otherwise) to no longer be a member of public office. The vitriol she has received just by virtue of ostentatiously being a black woman is something I think needs to be spot-lighted.
The vitriol BJ receives is not comparable. There are tons of potential Boris' out there. But how many little black girls do you think would fancy a chance at being in this Parliament.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 03/02/2018 17:05

I have no time for JRM or his views and I also have no time for the bullying, oppressive tactics of Momentum, one of the many reasons I would never vote Labour. That was not a meeting I would have wanted to attend.

MeYouYouMe · 03/02/2018 17:06

Wow, @onlyjoinedforthisthread. I gave the LINK and said to look there for further info. I NEVER claimed I had carried out any research.

It wasn't ill informed or lazy. It's a legitimate and useful site that gives the facts about how our MPs vote
I don't know if you realise but you can disagree with posters without being rude and pompous.

His voting record is interesting.

Rebeccaslicker · 03/02/2018 17:07

So you defend her despite her comments about white people and Finnish nurses etc? You really don't think she has done anything wrong?

Urgh.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 03/02/2018 17:09

I agree about DA Rebecca. I don't care what colour a person is, I care about how well they do their job and how they treat people. DA has come out with many things over the years that don't exactly cover her in glory

VladmirsPoutine · 03/02/2018 17:12

@Rebeccaslicker I defend her right as a politician. I defend her rights as an elected member of Parliament. I defend that. Her views concerning white people I think I also defend - it wasn't after all anyone white that divided and conquered? Was it not? Do I think we should still be having this conversation in 2018? Most certainly not. The day that she is not called uppity and told to remember her place I'll give up my placard. Until then I think I might maintain support for one of very few black women MPs.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 03/02/2018 17:13

Wrt JRM & the abortion issue - I actually have more respect for him than others in the pro-life side tbh.
He views all abortion as bad, and doesn't have a points-based judgement system as others do (which I find hypocritical).

I happen to be diametrically opposed to his views on abortion amongst other things, but at least he's transparent & open & prepared to be debated with in a reasonable manner.

He represents a view that is held by some people and there's a place for that in parliament (although thank goodness it's not a mainstream view).

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