Jacob Rees mogg at the University of the West of England (Title edited by MNHQ)

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Just watched the clip of Jacob rees mogg at Bristol university, when a few momentum activists try to cause havoc and stop him from talking

Whatever anyone thinks of this man, I have to say he was pretty gutsy going up to them, considering they are all hiding behind Balaclavas and scarves and there wasn't any security there.
Most politicians wouldn't have gone near them, let alone try to talk to them

I like him. Yes his views are controversial and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he stands up for what he believes in

Full video
twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/959529976616947712. ( Sorry only know how to link to a tweet)

Of course the fact that MPs in the House of Commons spend their time boorishly shouting each other down, doens't set a great example to anyone. PMQT is an embarrassing pantomime. I totally condemn people just shouting over a speaker, but I do that in the House of Commons as well as at the University of the West of England.

YY to this as well.

Rebecca- I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you!

So it was JRM's fault? Not the people who broke in without tickets for the express purpose of ruining the event?

That's quite a stretch but let's see if the police reports confirm that version of events. Anything is possible.

Bertrand - well, that makes this thread unique

Rebecca it wasn't his fault they broke in but he did escalate it by going into the audience. Not a clever thing to do.

Have you ever been involved in policing this sort of event?

Rebecca it wasn't his fault they broke in but he did escalate it by going into the audience. Not a clever thing to do.

Masked thugs break into an event. That is the issue.

Have you ever been involved in policing this sort of event?

Well those policing it need to give their head a wobble as they obviously aren't very good at their jobs are they.

Of course the fact that MPs in the House of Commons spend their time boorishly shouting each other down, doens't set a great example to anyone. PMQT is an embarrassing pantomime. I totally condemn people just shouting over a speaker, but I do that in the House of Commons as well as at the University of the West of England.

PMQ's is a side show, you could watch the parliament channel where all the headline policies are discussed without all the boorish nature, and I hope you are not trying to insinuate that PMQ's is somehow responsible

Oh well it is OK that he made their job harder then. Good for him. Hope the lady who got punched in the face is also OK.

BertrandRussell

I certainly think that there is an argument for stopping people advocating racism for example.

Are you really so blind to the unintended consequences of that kind of censorship? All that will happen is that any speech that any special interest group disagrees with will be labelled as "offensive" or "-phobic" and shut down, regardless of the merits of its argument. You don't think talks by a gender-critical radical feminist will be closed down as "violent transphobic hate speech", for example? Oh wait, they already are.

Those who are so quick to censor others may be shocked to find themselves censored as well.

He covers her mouth and then raises his arm up to hit out at a man behind her catching her in the process. Are we really still going to victim blame? I don't care if she was a supporter or protester there was no need for it.

Hope the lady who got punched in the face is also OK.

Except she didn't get punched in the face.

It was a glancing connection made when two people were pushed into each other.

She's the girlfriend of the shouty-twat 'protester' & is attempting to play victim.

It was a glancing connection made when two people were pushed into each other.

As I have already pointed out. The footage you linked to shows that. The footage posted before that shows somebody in entirely different clothing punching her in the face.

Stop pretending that they are the same footage when the arm in yours is clearly black clothes and in the footage of the punch it is white.

Can't link to the Mail footage, but in that her boyfriend is repeatedly throwing punches at Mogg supporters and being held back, then you can see the black and white arms BOTH come up in defensive positions when the Momentum guy in sunglasses throws another punch and she gets caught in the middle.

So yeah, maybe if she stops hanging around with punchy thugs she might be a bit safer. It's interesting she is complaining she was punched when she makes zero attempt to stop him punching other people.

You really need to get your eyes checked.

The guy in the footage I linked to, whose arm glances her face, is wearing a white shirt.

Here it is again, for clarity.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42926535

In the slo-mo imgur clip that someone else posted, the black sleeve & white cuff belongs to JRM who is putting his arm between the two of them.

m.imgur.com/GTCal8c

Can't stand Rees Mogg: his opinions about climate change are, in my opinion, typical of climate sceptics who lack a real understanding of the science behind it and the level of destruction that it will wreak if left unchecked. I really don't understand the adoration that some people have of him (it's like some sort of built in deference to people who are perceived to be of a 'higher class') but for all my antipathy towards him, I would like to see his beliefs contested verbally in a proper debate, not by physical intimidation. I have no wish to see him provided with any kind of moral superiority.

OP has shared a link from a right wing 'news page' belinhjng to Raheem Khan who has been suspended from Twitter btw.

It has since emerged that a right wing thug was attacking a female and JRM went to intervene. I don't like the man but the violence wasnt directed at him.

twitter.com/chloekayex/status/959494136427696128?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E2

• MeYouYouMe

Here are some examples of J R-Ms parliamentary voting history From www.theyworkforyou.com. Full details of the votes can be found at TheyWorkForYou . Sorry for typos (there will be some!)

Jacob Rees-Mogg

Consistently voted against gay rights

Consistently voted against same sex marriage

Consistently voted against smoking bans

Consistently voted againstinvestigationd into the Iraq war

Almost always voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already living in the U.K.

Consistently voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms

Consistently voted against Raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices

Consistently voted against Paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability

Consistently voted for a reduction in spending on benefits

Consistently voted for increasing the rate of VAT

Consistently voted AGAINST INCREASING THE TAX RATE APPLIED TO INCOME OVER £150,00

Consistently voted against The 'mansion tax'

Consistently voted for more restrictive regulation of trade union activity

Almost always voted for reducing capital gains tax

almost always voted for fewer MPs in the House of Commons

Consistently voted against A more proportiona system for electing MPs

Consistently voted against A wholly elected house of lords

Consistently voted for stronger enforcement of immigration rules

Consistently voted for phasing out secure tenancies for life

Consistently voted for charging a market rent to high earners renting a council hom

Almost always voted for restricting the scope of legal aid

Consistently voted against restrictions on fees charged to tenents by letting agents *

I think you need to look into this a bit further, just two examples as I haven't the time or inclination to point out the full extent of your lack of research,...

Consistently voted against into the Iraq war, actually voted against an investigation into the contrast between public statements and private actions in the run up to the Iraq war,

Consistently voted against smoking smoking ban. You mean voted to allow smoking in non food serving pubs and against the ban on smoking in cars

Your post is very misleading I'm not sure if it's because you are too lazy to research further or think you we are all too stupid to bother to check the facts you quote

@Megabeth it's been in plenty of other papers, BBC, ITV and video retweeted by many commentators and Labour MPs.

Nice try though.

It has since emerged that a right wing thug was attacking a female and JRM went to intervene.

Except it hasn't.
That is untrue.

The footage has been linked on this thread, and it's all over MSM.

It has since emerged that a right wing thug was attacking a female and JRM went to intervene

The only 'thug' attacking people was her Antifa/Momentum boyfriend who is seen repeatedly trying to throw punches.

@Onlyjoinedforthisthread I think you posted this much earlier on too? Well said. I don't believe he should be, or anyone for that matter, attacked. But lets not let this episode paint him in some kind of glorious light. He is a terrible terrible human. His views are disgusting. What are people failing to understand about that point?

Do we have any actual facts about the people nvolved in this incident? Any statements from the police?

I don't think he is a 'terrible, terrible human being'. In fact I think he is a rather good and principled man. I also think Jeremy Corbyn is a good and principled man.

Because unlike most on the left wing I'm not labouring under the misapprehension that the worth of another human being depends on their willingness to agree with me.

A principled man? That's an interesting take. I don't personally think it's my duty (despite not even being an elected member of parliament) to govern what women do or don't with their content of their wombs. Nor do I think it is my business what 2 consenting adults do in the bedroom, even if they both have a penis. A principled man? He is many things but that he is most certainly not.

I agree wrt the point that just because someone disagrees with your world view doesn't render them satan incarnate. But employing critical thinking is important in these matters. As such. Anyone, anyone, anyone that would think a teen girl that was raped and subsequently became pregnant should have to abide by a bizarre baseless state order that she must keep the baby is not a 'principled' man or whatever pronoun they want to use.

Critical thinking is something I happen to think is widely lacking in the electorate. Just to go back to an issue we've already covered; Boris Johnson - his so-called affable nature 'Oh that's just Boris' had nearly led to the slaughter of a citizen it his duty to protect.

I don't think he is a 'terrible, terrible human being'. In fact I think he is a rather good and principled man. I also think Jeremy Corbyn is a good and principled man.

Agreed.

Because unlike most on the left wing I'm not labouring under the misapprehension that the worth of another human being depends on their willingness to agree with me.

No, you've spoiled it now. I don't think you can claim the spirit of Voltaire for the right. Screaming down and attacking anyone you disagree with is a newly popular modus operandi, not an essentially leftist one.