Jacob Rees mogg at the University of the West of England (Title edited by MNHQ)

[Grrrrrsnarl]

Just watched the clip of Jacob rees mogg at Bristol university, when a few momentum activists try to cause havoc and stop him from talking

Whatever anyone thinks of this man, I have to say he was pretty gutsy going up to them, considering they are all hiding behind Balaclavas and scarves and there wasn't any security there.
Most politicians wouldn't have gone near them, let alone try to talk to them

I like him. Yes his views are controversial and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he stands up for what he believes in

Full video
twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/959529976616947712. ( Sorry only know how to link to a tweet)

I see the usual suspects are out in force employing maximum whatbaoutism.

Momentum/antifa have a strong overlap in members, to pretend they don't is being ignorant of who is rising in the ranks of labour.

It's almost like the "kinder gentler politics" is something that they have been advocating since 2012

twitter.com/se5_camberwell/status/959597905257664512

That's a serious question Bertrand?

• why?
• was it justified?
• how was it dealt with?
• what should happen to the protestors?
• is it freedom of speech or just disrespectful?
• does JRM's response change anyone's view of him?

Etc etc etc

Very close to bigotry there.

Kind of ironic considering Diane Abbott tweeted;

"White people love playing "divide and rule" We should not play their game".

She should be called out for any racist comments she makes and her bad grammar.

HITLER STOOD UP FOR WHAT HE BELIEVED IN!!!!! FFS

Yes, considering who is using tactics straight out of the Nazi playbook at the moment you might want to reconsider this analogy. When JRM starts disrupting his opponents meetings to prevent them from meeting, or harassing his politic opponents and threatening them with violence or calling for an atmosphere where his opponents feel unsafe, then you might want to wheel it out again.

As it is, the far left at the moment have more in common with the Nazis than any Conservative MP.

Momentum/antifa have a strong overlap in members

That is completely baseless.

She should be called out for any racist comments she makes and her bad grammar.

Not particularly racist statements. Historically speaking.

“why?” Why did they do it? Because there are always people on all sides of the political spectrum who want to shut down political debate

• was it justified? No. Covered by the condemning of the action
• how was it dealt with? I don’know- I wasn’t there
• what should happen to the protestors? they should be dealt with according to the law
• is it freedom of speech or just disrespectful? Don’t understand. But I would have thought this was covered by condemning the action
• does JRM's response change anyone's view of him? No. This is how I would have expected him to behave. Does not change my views of him at all

Any more?

Would you think that if you were a Finnish nurse, make?

Well yeah, but that's the whole point of debate/a chat forum.

What an utterly pointless post. You could go and do that on every thread. In fact, if you're done here, why don't you do just that?!

That is completely baseless.

Oh come on. You know this isn't true. Antifa publicly support Momentum when they protest and whenever their activists have been exposed in the past they usually turn out to be both antifa and Momentum.

Sorry, posted too soon. People making comments about how 'the Left always x' or 'the Right are y' aren't helping - that just contributes to the idea that the Other Side are evil and wrong, and thus acceptable targets for this sort of behaviour.

Plenty of people on the Left have condemned this. Plenty of people on the Right have the sense to realise that if a minority of (presumably) far-left goons act like twats, that doesn't mean everyone who supports higher taxes or same sex marriage also supports breaking into university lecture rooms wearing balaclavas. In the end, the vast majority of political differences aren't due to people being inherently selfish or stupid, but simply having genuinely different views on what is best for society.

That is completely baseless.

No, its not, I mean we have screen caps of this guys facebook page for one, and many discord channels will also prove you wrong.

I love the irony of you trying to call out baseless assumptions though, that has made me genuinely laugh.

I also notice make, that you have not picked apart McDonnell in the same vein as you would anyone on the right making similar comments.

"we used to call it insurrection, now we're polite and call it direct action. Let's step back to calling it what it is, it's insurrection. We want to bring this government down by whatever mechanism we have..."

-John McDonnell in 2013

Labour MP John McDonnell celebrates rioters "kicking the shit out of Millbank" at a violent riot in London in November 2010. He says the mob showed "the best of our movement

*“Anyone that is excusing it, either by omission, or using whataboutism or just ignoring it, is part of the problem.”

Good. Because nobody is. Exasperating as this is to the Right.*

I was unaware of a 'block poster' function on MN - where can I find it Bertrand?

I'm assuming you have makeourfuture** blocked or hidden.

No, its not, I mean we have screen caps of this guys facebook page for one, and many discord channels will also prove you wrong.

You are trying to conflate/connect the actions of a couple of activists with a wider group.

We do not know this yet at all.

Do these activists belong to a local knitting society? Does that implicate the knitting society?

Would you think that if you were a Finnish nurse, make?

I am unsure.

Make, you still haven't been able to say unequivocally that the actions of the anti-democrats last night have no place in our country, and that you support JRM's right to speak, both as a person & as a serving MP.

Perhaps you would like to now?

Jesus Christ. I've had a look at a few Antifa pages off the back of this. They've published the address of every single Paul J Watson on the electoral role and are encouraging people to check up on them and monitor them because they might find 'Paul Joseph Watson' (like he wouldn't make sure he was on the withheld version of the electoral roll).

Not only do they publish the names and details of people they disapprove of, they publish the names and details of their friends. People with names like 'Priya Chopra' who is clearly far right.

So just watch out. Should you happen to share a name with the wrong person, or accept a friend request from your neighbour or a colleague or an acquaintance whose politics you know nothing about, Antifa think you are a legitimate target for harassment.

These are nothing but Nazi tactics.

"White people love playing "divide and rule" We should not play their game".

@mothertruck3r Are you familiar with even just a single thing about British history?

One of the groups they are targeting appears to be an Irish Pike Conservation group because they have criticised Eastern European fisherman for illegally catching protected pike.

Do these activists belong to a local knitting society? Does that implicate the knitting society?

More whataboutery

Good. Because nobody is. Exasperating as this is to the Right.

I am not 'to the right' --whatever that means- and yes people are.

Once someone invokes the nazis conversation and rational debate almost always dies. It's like a fail safe. Godwin's Law always wins.

You are in a desperate tail spin here Make, it is common knowledge of the overlap between Momentum and antifa. I'm not trying to conflate the two.

We also have the fact that some at the head of the Labour party have been promoting these types of responses and stirring the pot for ages, something you are yet to comment on.

Imagine your ire and outcry if a leading Tory held a speech which celebrated people kicking the shit out of opponents as showing the best of our movement...

I would also bet my house that you would not be "waiting for confirmation" if this was a right leaning protest, any old facebook screen grab would do at that point.

@mothertruck3r Are you familiar with even just a single thing about British history?

I am extremely familiar with it and I know that it is a tactic used by all sections of the political spectrum at some point and has been done by specific groups of white people. Not white people in general.

I am also familiar with international history and can give you examples of the same tactics use by the Chinese, Japanese, Muslims and black people. It's not exclusively a 'white people' thing.

In fact, I would say the people who are currently most effective at using 'divide and rule' are the left wing with their obsession with identity politics and their insistence that our sex/race/sexual orientation/gender identity are the most important thing about us and that we are all in competition with people of different sexes/races/sexual orientations/gender identity and have to compete with them and vote for the people who will look after the interests of your race/gender/sexual orientation/gender identity best and promote you in the competition (e.g. them)