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Jacob Rees mogg at the University of the West of England (Title edited by MNHQ)

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Grrrrrsnarl · 02/02/2018 23:18

Just watched the clip of Jacob rees mogg at Bristol university, when a few momentum activists try to cause havoc and stop him from talking

Whatever anyone thinks of this man, I have to say he was pretty gutsy going up to them, considering they are all hiding behind Balaclavas and scarves and there wasn't any security there.
Most politicians wouldn't have gone near them, let alone try to talk to them

I like him. Yes his views are controversial and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he stands up for what he believes in

Full video
twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/959529976616947712. ( Sorry only know how to link to a tweet)

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Eltonjohnssyrup · 03/02/2018 10:33

I really wonder why that is. It just evades me

Because they want an excuse to exempt Abbott from criticism but not Johnson maybe?

BertrandRussell · 03/02/2018 10:35

I am perfectly happy to condemn people who turn up to a political meeting with the intention of disrupting it, whoever they are. Not sure it really matters who they are really.

makeourfuture · 03/02/2018 10:36

Please don't try and go to law school. You would be very bad at it.

My old Tort professor would agree with you there.

Unfinishedkitchen · 03/02/2018 10:37

Has Diane been fired twice for lying? Helped arrange for a journalist to be beaten up? A serial adulturer who forced her side piece to have an abortion? Almost gotten a woman’s jail sentence lengthened and not apologised? tried to use tax payers money to build a bridge for his mates? Made racist comments about the president of the USA? Lied on the side of a bus?

I cannot believe the pass Boris gets because he’s posh and can recite some Latin and poetry. Everytime he fucks up he either gets promoted or lots of people call him a loveable rogue. He has the forelock tuggers weak at the knees! I wonder whether he’ll reclaim his American passport and run off to become a Fox pundit when the Brexshit hits the fan?

Eltonjohnssyrup · 03/02/2018 10:38

I am perfectly happy to condemn people who turn up to a political meeting with the intention of disrupting it, whoever they are. Not sure it really matters who they are really.

Agree with you there.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 03/02/2018 10:39

Bertrand, that's my point.
I agree with you.

It doesn't matter who they are, or what 'side' they represent or are against.
Several high profile Labour politicians have condemned it too (see Angela Rayner's tweet for a good example).

Sadly, there are people like makeourfuture who think it is ok so long as you are on the 'right side'.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 03/02/2018 10:42

I cannot believe the pass Boris gets because he’s posh and can recite some Latin and poetry. Everytime he fucks up he either gets promoted or lots of people call him a loveable rogue.

Um, do you not see the irony that you are criticising him whilst claiming he is immune from criticism?

The criticism for Diane Abbott is mainly from social media, and as you and several other posters on this thread have proven, Boris gets exactly the same sort of criticism online when he fucks up.

Unfinishedkitchen · 03/02/2018 10:47

Arranging for people to have their legs broken isn’t just fucking up though is it? and before anyone says anything, yes I condemn the far left too and have not time for momentum either. I’m an unashamed Blairite.

gert1e · 03/02/2018 10:51

How on earth did we get onto Diane Abbott. The whole of the last page...so far. I see I shall have to catch up!

BertrandRussell · 03/02/2018 10:51

“Um, do you not see the irony that you are criticising him whilst claiming he is immune from criticism?“

Doesn’t matter how much I criticize him. It appears to make no difference to his career.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/02/2018 10:54

How on earth did we get onto Diane Abbott.

It's called whataboutism.

gert1e · 03/02/2018 10:56

VladmirsPoutine · 03/02/2018 10:58

Elton Willingly or otherwise you are spectacularly missing the point. Diane Abbott and Boris Johnson could arguably be considered of equal intellect by virtue of their schooling backgrounds. The difference is one of them represents and is a fully paid up member of a political class which maintains teflon style buffoonery. The other doesn't get to bathe in such entrenched privilege (well said by Bert).

I have no issue with holding our elected representatives to account and hauling them over the coals when they've done anything, let alone made a mistake. But it is hugely disingenuous to suggest that Diane Abbott is somehow treated as a loveable dimwit when she fucks up. Nope, she is often considered an 'uppity N-word' for even being in her position before she opens her mouth.

Do you wonder why people like Obama who has strong credentials from Harvard as does his wife and DA who went to Oxbridge got to where they did. Because they had to work 100 times harder. I know it's not the point of this thread but can you imagine the sort of carnage had Obama done or said even 10% of the things that Trump has.

Privilege is not just a fancy noun - it's an actual way of life for some people.

psychomath · 03/02/2018 10:59

Are his political views important to this particular issue though, MeYou? I agree with a few of his stances in that list and disagree with most (strongly disagree in several cases). I voted Lib Dem at the last election, but hoped for Labour to win as I knew the Dems didn't have a chance in hell. But this isn't about my personal views on council housing and whether Rees-Mogg happens to share them, it's about respecting democracy and free speech. Trying to shut down people's views through disruption and intimidation is wrong regardless of what side they're on, and IMO is a bigger threat to liberty and justice than anything in Rees-Mogg's voting record.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/02/2018 11:02

It doesn't matter what any ones voting record is. This incident shouldn't have happened. Anyone that is excusing it, either by omission, or using whataboutism or just ignoring it, is part of the problem.

The End.

Redpandamonkey · 03/02/2018 11:03

BWatchWatcher and others which say setup, I'm watching intently to see if this speeds up good old have a go mogsy's undercover leadership bid. Just my opinion.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 03/02/2018 11:05

The difference is one of them represents and is a fully paid up member of a political class which maintains teflon style buffoonery.

You're claiming this, yet you're claiming it on a thread full of criticism of them and their background. You might not have noticed, but despite your claims they are 'teflon' they didn't do so well in the last election and are probably only still in power because Labour are even more fucking useless than them.

It's nonsense. MPs fuck up, they're criticised. No MP should be immune from criticism on their record of performance.

Diane strongly belongs to the left wing political class which had 13 years of power not so long ago and still dominates the public sector including the civil service.

psychomath · 03/02/2018 11:07

Yy Piglet

Rebeccaslicker · 03/02/2018 11:08

Make is worse than a politician for not just saying, "yeah this was a shit thing to do, regardless of political beliefs".

The DA stuff is back to front. She doesn't get criticism because she's a black woman. She gets criticism because she cocks up and has some most unpleasant views. If a white male politician had tried to justify rank hypocrisy by saying that "white fathers go to the wall for their kids" and that "black people love to play divide and rule", he'd have been out on his arse, and rightly so.

What is utterly fucked up, is when people attack her incompetence and hypocrisy by making racist and sexist slurs. That's utterly wrong and anyone doing that is vile.

But it's also wrong to assume that those are the only reasons she gets such vitriol.

I liked Bojo as mayor of london. I think he's a dreadful MP and must say I assumed May had put him in the foreign Secretary role to get rid of him quickly.

It's very noticeable how the left jump all over the place to try and deflect from the main issue of what happened.

BertrandRussell · 03/02/2018 11:09

“Anyone that is excusing it, either by omission, or using whataboutism or just ignoring it, is part of the problem.”

Good. Because nobody is. Exasperating as this is to the Right.

BertrandRussell · 03/02/2018 11:11

“It's very noticeable how the left jump all over the place to try and deflect from the main issue of what happened“

Really? Once you have condemned the actions of people trying to disrupt the democratic process what more is there to say about “whT happened”.

beluga425 · 03/02/2018 11:12

HITLER STOOD UP FOR WHAT HE BELIEVED IN!!!!!
FFS

Rebeccaslicker · 03/02/2018 11:13

I'd love to know what these people actually contribute to society. It's easy to sit around and talk about "Tory scum". But what do they actually do, apart from talk and protest?

mothertruck3r · 03/02/2018 11:14

Poor wee Jacob RM and the nasty Labourites.
This smacks of a setup.

Yes comrade, probably those nasty Joos Zionists behind it all .

psychomath · 03/02/2018 11:14

This really isn't a right vs left issue, or at least it shouldn't be. Everyone who supports democracy and liberalism should be against the use of intimidation to shut down political speech.

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