AIBU to ask why you for Brexit?

[BillySmut56]

I'm politically neautral on Brexit, it's a complicated issue, but I'm interested in the consequences that are coming out now. If you voted for Brexit, what were your reasons?

I’m working class and don’t have any reliance on EU for my job. Sorry if I have debunked the idea that remainers are all middle class folk working for an international charity, working out of Brussels 2 days a week...

And I think there are plenty of other legitimate reasons for passion and anger Feelitstill in addition to British civil servants abroad worrying about their jobs; such as the UK losing its sphere of influence and jeopardising it's economic future, British DC losing their opportunities to live and work in the other 27 countries whilst having the same rights as the citizens of those countries, destroying the livelihoods of our hill farmers, jeopardising environmental progress, jeopardising the rights of UK workers to name but a few.

And who said the EU is a failed Union? Last time I looked, it was doing rather well economically.

And wrt drop in car sales, I’ve just heard on the news it’s not just consumer confidence but more to do with confusion over diesel. People aren’t going to buy a new car if it’s only going to last a few years.
But let’s not let facts get in the way of a good doom & gloom Brexit story.

It's good to listen to people's reasons for voting leave, but take it all with a pinch of salt. Try asking people if they are influenced by advertising and they'll swear blind they aren't. Yet, the money piled into advertising says the opposite - we are massively influenced by what we experience in the world. So, time and again I hear Leavers say the NHS promise was bogus, they didn't believe it and so on. I would contend that the bus won votes because it showed in broad terms the scale of money the EU were 'taking control' of each week. Simply juxtaposing that figure alongside the words NHS made an important connection in people's minds. NHS = British institution. EU = taking money away. Truth or any semblance of the truth was the last thing on Boris' mind. They were playing mind games and it worked.

JLR cited Brexit for cutting production. Uncertainty over Brexit is affecting sales.

It’s not just Brexit GhostofFrankGrimes, stop being deliberately misleading. You’re not the only one with access to a television or radio.

Brexit is playing a part. I didn’t say there weren’t other factors.

ghost

Spoke to a freind who works in the NHS yesterday

She said that there is going to be a real crisis in nursing recruitment in the next three years

Partly down to not training our nurses, partly the government making it more expensive to train and partly brexit

They are now recruiting in india etc

They may well relax the level required for English speaking as well, the english test is really difficult apparently

Sorry

My point was don't get ill it was a bit if a oerfect storm

Perfect

Why is the o so close to the p?

Of course it is rufus but at least the usual suspects will have something new to whinge about.

On the subject of trade, there is NO question that the UK is going to suffer economically in the short and medium term as a result of Brexit.

The ONLY question to ask now is whether trading with other outside countries will make up for this shortfall in the long-term.

But given that, as it said on the BBC this morning, that the UK does more trade with Belgium (population 10 million) than China (population one billion) I am not getting my hopes up ... .

Leavers aren't stupid and aren't effected by advertising they all studied the issue before voting. In which case why do so many of them keep on saying the EU is undemocratic?

This is self evidently and provably false. The EU has a directly representative body and an institution made up of democratically elected governments. It just is democratic.

Stop repeating this nonsense. Leavers you can explain to other leavers this isn't true. I will continue to explain that it isn't true. However, while leave supporters continue to spout total and utter bollocks they lay themselves open to people pointing out they are wrong! Don't complain if people say you are stupid when you say stupid things.

This thread lays Leave voters' thought processes bare:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3144171-the-brexit-arms

The EU is preventing imports of their basmati rice - the food standards regulations they fail must be unfair. Little Britain will negotiate better trade deals than the big EU. It's not going to be as bad as everyone is saying. Brexit is good because "the people" have spoken. Sovereignty never lost but finally regained etc etc.

The EU is a maze and there is no real accountability there. I Think this article explains it better HuffPost

Good one.

• Mummy, why did some people vote to seriously damage our economy?
• Because they thought the EU was a maze.

@bluebells1 Unfortunately that article is wrong in several ways. It is hugely bias, beware any article that is polemic not rational. It misrepresents the role of several bodies.

It is a left wing analysis of the EU pointing out capitalism controls the EU many of the points made against the EU and how multinationals control decision making could be applied to the vast majority of democratic systems.

Why do you think the EU is undemocratic?

I voted leave because the Uk legal system in not compatable with what I consider to be the inferior civil law system that opetates through much of the EU. It wouldn’t be too long before the existing fundamental freedoms principally the freedom of establishment would be used to chip away at it. I left because of the march towards a federalised Europe. I left because of the admission of financially (and politically) weak economies. I left because of the scope creep that has accelerated since Maastricht. I left because of the greater flexibility we would have to negotiate terms with the rest of the world on trade, travel etc on terms which would suit our economy. I left because our economy needs the flexibility to run its own trade laws that suit our economic profile and not one that needs to account for economies as diverse as Germany and Greece. I don’t like the way the EU chips away at tax laws under the guise of freedom of establishment. I left because the Inflexible EU is basically the author of its own demise and when it collapses and brings about worldwide economic difficulty I’d rather we weren’t tied into it trying to unravel the knots. Yes we all knew there would be short term pain, but that comes which any major change,but I believe there will be long term significant gains. We wouldn’t tell a woman to stay with a financially and emotionally abusive man because the divorce might be painful, we would be telling her it would all be worth it in the end!

bluebells1’s Huffpost article is written by Matthew Ellery - researcher at Get Britain Out who also for writes for Breitbart. No agenda there then.

Just look at how the EU is treating Britain right now -- a traitor who dared to exercise its democratic right.

May I add: I voted Remain, but have since changed my mind big time.

@user1495390685 the EU is defending it's members as it should.

The EU have been perfectly reasonable user1495390685.

They have transparently, openly and repeatedly set out their stance from the very start; which is basically that we can't have a "couture" deal because it wouldn't be fair on the other 27 member states who have to pay for their membership and abide by collective rules in order to benefit from trading and other advantages.

We are the ones leaving the club - it is up to us to come up with creative solutions - the EU are standing by, somewhat bemused, waiting for us to do that.

They have never called us traiterous. In fact, Jean Claude Juncker said in mid-January that their door is open if we want to change our minds, which is pretty decent in the circumstances.

If anyone impartial read this thread or any other on brexit, they would be thinking 'why is one side patronising, sarcastic and insulting to the other.' Who are the stupid ones again?

Quite.