To vote Tory in the next election?

[LadyBoyXy]

I've lost all hope of any rationality coming out of JC and Labour.

I feel like my biological existence is being wiped out.

I already feel completely bereft that the future of the female/girls/women will likely continue to be ruled and overruled by the patriarchy.

Thing is, the Tories are the ones leading with this nonsense about erasing women's biological reality. Voting for them won't help at all on this issue.

(And of course it will bugger up a lot else, chiefly the NHS.)

I do wonder if it's time to let the Lib Dems have a try. They'd certainly be better than labour under corbyn.

It's no good saying how crap the Tories are. For Labour to win, we need to be told how good they are. Sadly, that can't happen because everyone knows how dreadful Corbyn and his policies actually are. You may as well be voting UKIP as Labour right now.

Jesus I had forgotten about the shadow of Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. And it's a very long one!

The Tories have allowed women to become leaders. The Labour Party will not allow women to head to leadership as the unions are a male lead organisations.

I will never vote Labour again.

I've voted labour all of my life but they won't have my vote again until they understand that when they erode female embodiment to a set of superfluous ticky-boxes that they can only fail to represent the real, lived and particular needs of women in Parliament.

makeourfuture you sound more and more like a political soundbite bot.

Of course YANBU. Vote for who you want!

Personally, I won’t be voting Tory and struggle to understand the perspective of those supporting particularly this current Tory party, and will definitely be voting Labour (and Green in our local elections). I like the current Labour party much more than that under Blair/Brown.

Thing is, the Tories are the ones leading with this nonsense about erasing women's biological reality.

Exactly.

Are you asking if it is unreasonable to vote for a mainstream legitimate political party in a democratic election, that millions of other people will also vote for?

When you put t liked that Shotsfired..

Of course YANBU unless you want the country destroyed. It’s the only sensible choice. Don’t let the lefty cretins drag you down!

Wow. Your idea of erudite political debate is using disablist slurs? Is that the Tory mindset?

Thing is, the Tories are the ones leading with this nonsense about erasing women's biological reality.

No, Justine Greening was pushing for it. She's resigned, it's delayed and women's rights are much more at the forefront and it's likely self iding reforms won't happen. Being gender critical is acceptable within the Tory Party. Meanwhile in the Labour Party TIMS are pushing women out of all women short lists and there is a witch hunt against anybody who won't toe the trans line.

If you think self IDing is bad I dread to think what Labour would do. I suspect that it might come to the point where saying transwomen aren't women was a 'hate crime'.

TBH I hadn't been too aware of this debate until I watched a discussion on Sky News yesterday lunchtime. A man from the Pink News was arguing that transgender women (I mean a man who identifies as a woman) should be counted as women in the candidate selection process. He said having experienced oppression as men identifying as women, they understood how it felt to be a women and the issues women have to deal with. No they goddamn don't understand how it feels to be a woman and they have know idea how it feels to grow up as a woman, Moreover I don't think a man gets to tell me who best represents me. I was appalled at this twisted thinking.

Of course YANBU but don’t expect the Londoncentric bubble of MN to tell you that. On a personal note I have always voted Tory but am currenly absolutely sick to death of them. I wish there was a credible opposition and can only hope that Jeremy has retired to Venezuela or North Korea by 2022.

Yes, YABU.

I'm sick of watching the Tories systematically destroy this country. We're going to lose one of our local A&E depts even though the county needs 2. Local services are on their knees. Homelessness is on the rise and our mental health service is close to breaking point.

And I'm not in London, it's not just a London centric MN view.

Haven't RTFT but on the issue of Self ID it would be bonkers to choose Tory over Labour.
I watched Corbyn on the Andrew Marr show yesterday and it seemed to me that he was avoiding the question, it also seems that a better consultation is needed as to what exactly Self ID will mean as a lot of the speakers on the show thought it would involve a 'medical process' which is not my understanding.

I couldn't vote Tory's I have an autistic son who is badly impacted by cuts to mental health services and the NHS.

I watched Corbyn on the Andrew Marr show yesterday and it seemed to me that he was avoiding the question

Not like he does with Brexit, anti-semitism etc etc etc

*what like he does....

OP was talking about a single issue as am I.

(self ID)

He was not avoiding questions on brexit , homelessness.....

I think that's the very definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face - if you think the tories will be more concerned with maintaining women's rights, or indeed anyone's rights, i would have a rethink.

I know quite a few people - mainly women - who may not survive another Tory government.

Of course he was avoiding the question. He doesn't know what he thinks about anything until John and Len have told him.