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To vote Tory in the next election?

330 replies

LadyBoyXy · 28/01/2018 20:31

I've lost all hope of any rationality coming out of JC and Labour.

I feel like my biological existence is being wiped out.

I already feel completely bereft that the future of the female/girls/women will likely continue to be ruled and overruled by the patriarchy.

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Scabbersley · 29/01/2018 08:16

There is no way on earth that Labour will get into power at the next election so its all moot. The tories will get in again, probably under Michael Gove.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 29/01/2018 08:17

I suspect May will get in again because this time she will be forced to have a better, more open and varied team around her.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/01/2018 08:18

tories will get in again, probably under Michael Gove

Oh god really

Well thats me never voting tory again

The destruction of the education system is the main reason i didnt vote Tory last time...and i blame that odious little man

stuffstuffeverywhere · 29/01/2018 08:22

A country gets the government it deserves.

You want to destroy the NHS in order to stop trans rights.

I suppose there'll be no free gender reassignment treatment.

Be no free anything else beyond emergency stuff either. Nice to see people have their priorities straight..,

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/01/2018 08:27

People say stop trans rights

But i dont really understand

Surely trans people have the same rights as everyone else

What legally enshrined right do they not have

bluebells1 · 29/01/2018 08:28

Gove will never ever be a Tory leader. Luckily for the Tories, actual members vote for their leader. Not unions. And most members seem to dislike Gove. I have a feeling May/BoJo will be back and slap down Gove and Hammond.

100YearsOfVote · 29/01/2018 08:36

A mass exodus to the Women's Equality Party will shake the main parties up as far as women's issues are concerned. They will start to pay attention if enough of us leave Lab/Con/Green and unite in a party that actually knows what a women is.

Single issue tactics worked for the UKIP fuckers - let's make it work for women! It doesn't have to be about winning seats, but showing them we matter, and we have power to change things.

If Corby sees all the women turning away from Labour he may think again - or he may really be as stupid as he seems. Let's push those buttons.

I've voted Lab all my life - their stance on women is enraging me. I'm now in a strong Tory seat but will never vote blue.

TheRebel · 29/01/2018 08:36

I did in the last election, I’ve always voted labour and I always said nothing could make me vote Tory, but then Corbyn became leader and I just cannot vote for him, he seems to me to be the sort of person who cannot see things from anyone’s point of view but his own and I don’t think he’d stand down in any situation, even if it was what was best for the country.

It’s no good saying vote green or vote for one of the other parties, they’re not going to get in in a million years, if you want to stop labour winning you have to vote Tory.

I say all of this with a very heavy heart but realistically I just cannot get behind Corbyn.

MiMi78 · 29/01/2018 08:39

It's not just 'trans rights' is it though.
Its the erasing of sex based protections for 51% of the population. Which Labour are gung Ho for.
Trans people have human rights like the rest of us, what rights do they not have?
I'm not saying the Tories are better either, I've worked with those who have been totally fucked over by UC.
There is no choice out there which doesn't involve being had over a barrel, unless you're a rich man.

Cantshedmymuffintop · 29/01/2018 08:40

Wow. I don't think the Tories can be judged as the party of women when the families and children's minister attended the President club dinner. And seriously all you people with a problem with socialists, do you have an issue with equality? Would you like all public services to go the American route?! Start saving for your insurance policies now. I'm sick of people harking back to the 70s and 'communism' can nobody remember the 90s? That big recession? You know the one that the conservatives were responsible for. They are making a pretty similar mash up now. You'll all be going on about how JRM is such a darling next!

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/01/2018 08:44

A mass exodus to the Women's Equality Party will shake the main parties up as far as women's issues are concerned

Im not sure that they are much different to be honest

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 29/01/2018 08:45

I'm sick of people harking back to the 70s and 'communism' can nobody remember the 90s? That big recession? You know the one that the conservatives were responsible for.

How exactly were the Tories responsible for the 90s crash? They weren't in power or anywhere near it.

NotALabourMemberImAfraidLads · 29/01/2018 09:04

If there was a general election tomorrow, I would just have to spoil my ballot paper. I voted Labour at the last general election but definitely wouldn't vote for them now following both the leadership's views on women and the current witchhunting of feminists within the party.

If the Tories back down on amending the GRA and defended safe spaces for women and single sex services, I would actually vote for them and that's something I never thought I'd say.

If Labour can 'save' the NHS but women are deterred from using it because, they are given a trans-identified male nurse for an intimate procedure when they specifically requested a woman or are terrified of men due to psychosis put are on a 'single-sex' secure mental health ward with a trans-identified male and are then told that that is a woman and labelled a bigot for being petrified of him. If rape crisis services are well-funded, but women are too scared to use them because the services accept 'self-identifying' males as female counsellors. If women's refuges are well-funded but vulnerable women are forced to share a room with males or leave - and their ex-partners are able to get access by just saying they are a woman. Then these services aren't really 'saved' for women. Think these things won't happen? They are already happening.

I think a Conservative government would be terrible for most people (including women) but there is just no good outcome for women now. While I am a lefty and would prefer a socialist government, investment in public services etc, women are 50% of the population (which includes me!) so I just can't accept the sacrifice of the rights of 50% of the population for the alleged "greater" good.

AntArcticFox · 29/01/2018 09:08

I felt I had moo I could vote for in the last election. For the first time I spoiled the ballot. Looks Like I will be doing so again next time. I couldn't not go and vote but I felt repulsed by every party.

AntArcticFox · 29/01/2018 09:09

Moo should read no one!

Rumpledfaceskin · 29/01/2018 09:14

Elton. No one denies that labour under Blair set up PFIs. That was 10 years ago, I repeat 10 years ago! Why do people insist on using that as the first argument against a labour government now? The Tory’s have done nothing to curtail the use of them and have increased their usage as well as privatising large parts of the nhs. That is your main problem. The tax payer gets ripped of left, right and centre and instead of their money going to the correct cause, whether that’s education, healthcare, or public transport, funds get siphoned off into shareholders pockets and the public get shit services. Current gov don’t operate true free market capitalism. It’s state funded capitalism and it makes everything shit, the rich get richer and the poor, well I think we all know by now. That’s the Britain I see and I’m ashamed. It’s so fucking depressing. Bill Bryson sums it up perfectly in a great paragraph in ‘road to little dribbling’ where he describes a borough council removing a planter with some hardy shrubs outside a central station because they don’t have the resources to manage planters. Quote ‘ is that really what we have come to now, in this cheap, shittily dispariting age?- we can’t even afford a few shrubs in a planter’. I realise this is a massive tangent but it’s such a great observation and it just sums up Britain, only the planter is libraries, early years services, education and the rest.once those things go we won’t get them back. Britain 2018 and we can’t even afford to keep the fucking library open in my rural town. Seriosly? There is money, it’s just not going to the right places.

Ohforfoxsakereturns · 29/01/2018 09:17

I’m struggling with this one too.

I’ve resigned my Labour membership, but at ground level our local councillors are doing a great job. Not sure about my local MP, who is Labour, but I’m biding my time. I can’t vote for anyone else, and I can’t not vote. Impossible.

makeourfuture · 29/01/2018 09:19

May's dreadful agenda

Well yes!

But it so much more than that.

The Tory Agenda is based on hatred and greed. A sick and twisted Social Darwinism.

Scabbersley · 29/01/2018 09:22

The Tory Agenda is based on hatred and greed

No it isn't.

You may as well say that the Labour Agenda is based on hatred and envy

AntArcticFox · 29/01/2018 09:23

Tbh I wouldn't vote Labour now if the other half of Labour were in charge: the Stella Creasy, Chukka Umunna side of things. Something has to give in terms of political parties.

flirtygirl · 29/01/2018 09:29

Why as a woman would you vote for the party that are letting refuges close and reducing funding. Not to mention that support for everything which hits women often the most because of the patriachy is being cut.

So if you are poor, its worse to be a poor woman and if you are disabled its worse to be a disabled woman and so on. Mental health, housing, period poverty, poverty, closing refuges, cutting disabilty benefits is all the tories. Let alone killing the nhs but hey go ahead and vote for them.

Really wierd screwed up logic.

flirtygirl · 29/01/2018 09:30

And the homeless, id hate to be homeless and female right now.

makeourfuture · 29/01/2018 09:31

Tory ideology is based on Social Darwinism.

Inequality is growing and growing.

Underparmummy · 29/01/2018 09:37

I have to vote Lib Dem now as I cannot stand Labour or Tory policies.

Julie8008 · 29/01/2018 09:42

I just don't think people should have been allowed a vote on who runs the party. Its way to complicated an issue and should have been decided by MPs.

Corbyn just doesn't have the intellectual ability to understand he damage his simplistic ideas would have on the country and he is lying to people over the damage that would be wrought.

Sensible Labour MPs should just overrule him and elect a qualified professorial to the job.