To vote Tory in the next election?

[LadyBoyXy]

I've lost all hope of any rationality coming out of JC and Labour.

I feel like my biological existence is being wiped out.

I already feel completely bereft that the future of the female/girls/women will likely continue to be ruled and overruled by the patriarchy.

Thank you Elton

Guess which part of the country I am from

I will omit to show that to my sister.

I myself am also a SA survivor, not child grooming, and I almost forgot what it's like to be told you are lying by someone who doesn't know you.

Thank you everyone for your responses, even if we disagree.

I hope eventually the revolution of equality for women will happen.

If someone born with male genitals can't identify as female because it is the male view of what makes a woman, then, does that make all trans people what illegitimate because they do not know what it is to be female or male ?

People with male genitals are not female because they have male genitals and have been socialised as men and have no idea what it's like to be female.

People with female genitals who think they're men. Ditto. But, considering that they are actually still the sex they were at birth and were socialised as. Isn't it telling that TIM are making such a fuss about being called women whilst TIW are just meekly fitting in with the status quo? Anybody would think their socialisation had affected them more than their man/ladybrain.

Right.

Thanks for replying, I misjudged my own readiness to post on something which pushes close to sexual assault issues.

A bit of research would also show many of the girls cases never made it to court, or even past the first police interview. But anyway.

caremummy, I don't care what sort of emotive bullshit you come out with. Somebody who was familiar with the cases (as you claim to be) would not have said what you said.

Not for a second.

Surely you remember the Labour Council shutting down 'Risky Business', the only organisation who were supporting victims and trying to expose what was happening? Or someone who had a key code and legitimate access going into the files of the Labour run council and removing/destroying incriminating evidence? Or deliberately corrupting the computer files which held the same evidence?

I mean, if you claim to come from that part of the country and be familiar with victims, how would that, two huge reports and massive media coverage have been distilled down into 'police not liking working class girls'.

Surely you would be aware that had been very much debunked and that many of the girls came from respectable working class and lower middle class stable families (and in the care of the girl I know a bone fide middle class girl who wasn't even white but SE Asian).

Surely you would have realised that the trope of police just disbelieving girls because they thought they were just poor chavs off the rails had been debunked repeatedly.

I suppose there might be one or two elderly and badly connected relatives who think that. But someone well connected to a victim who is well versed in the internet not knowing that.

Yes, I find that absolutely unbelievable I'm afraid.

Unless by 'knowing' victims means you lived across the road and called them slags then pretended the reports never happened. There are a lot of them about, believe me...

My sister

Wow

A bit of research would also show many of the girls cases never made it to court, or even past the first police interview. But anyway.

Aaaah. Here we go.

You don't believe them do you?

Despite all the reports and the research you don't believe them.

I will tell you about the girl I know.

She was a bit vulnerable and from the age of 13 was regularly pictured in the newspapers as being 'missing'. The police knew full well where she was. She had been trafficked to West Yorkshire by Miripuri men to be pimped out. Her parents tried to protect her. Wouldn't let her out alone, escorted her to and from school, took away her mobile. The authorities weren't interested and wouldn't help. But she would still find ways to disappear.

Eventually these men got fed up of her parents obstructiveness and told her it was better she went into care because then they'd have easier access to her. And they told her exactly what allegations to make against her parents to make it happen. So she went into care, withdrew the allegations as soon as she was. But by then she was in care, it had to be investigated and she could refuse to return home.

It was also much easier for these men to exploit her. Because unlike her parents the care authorities facilitated rather than prevented the abuse.

And yes, we know all this is true. But her case probably didn't go 'beyond the first interview'.

Why? Because not all of them are strong survivors like Sammy Woodhouse. Many of them are like the child I knew. She is now a young woman and remains addicted to the drugs she was introduced to as a child. She feeds that addiction by the same means she was taught as a child: prostitution.

Of course no woman like her could get a successful prosecution.

Oh, and to someone like you who says 'Oh I am a survivor, I know all about it' then says something like 'well most of their cases didn't make it to court or even past the first interview - I think you should know that 99.99% of posters on this site will know from that statement alone you are a liar.

Interesting caremummy. In most of your other posts you claim to be a Liverpudlian. Since when was Liverpool in or even neighbouring South Yorks?

Liverpool is very famous for it's aggressive Labour activists though.

Or are you trying to say that the girls interviews not going past the first interviews means you are right about it being because 'the police didn't like working class girl'.

Again, I will refer you back to the Jay and Casey reports, neither of which reached that conclusion, both of which pointed out that it was also linked to the Labour council which covered it up. Both the reports linked the cover up to a culture of political correctness and fear of being labelled racist.

You are woefully underinforned for someone apparently so close to a victim.

So you want to vote for the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg because you don't want the continuation of a patriarchal society in Britain? Sister, you have some issues there but the Labour has nothing to do with them.

It is hard to comprehend the damage the Tories are doing to our country.

• Soaring debt. Just off the hook really.
• Tens of thousands of deaths due to cuts. Awful cuts that do nothing but hinder growth.
• This no-plan Brexit.
• A horribly disfunctional housing market.
• A clear mission to turn the NHS into a US system.
• Ineffective cuts to education.

This harm they are doing is ideological, they want to punish those they see as beneath them.

Carillon
BHS
Now the private Rail companies.
LIBOR

Good to see Corbyns kinder politics is alive and well on this thread.

Yep.

Pretty disgusting tbh

Politically Homeless. Yep. That's me now.

Labour are throwing women under the bus.
Conservative have already thrown us
LD already let men self-ID into women's slots.
Greens call us non-men
WEP call us CIS

It comes to something when the Monster Raving Loony Party might be a legitimate choice.

Unfortunately something someone said on another thread is starting to gain momentum in my brain - about the Tories going after the weakest 20% of society whilst Labour is going after 51%. Fuckssake.

Vote for NHS, vote for Education.
If you think the Tories have the best interests of those bodies at the forefront of their thinking, go ahead.

That is the thing though, I'm sure most tory voters are intelligent enough to see what has been happening in UK for the past 7-10 years and know full well that a vote for the tories is a vote for continuing on the same path. More cuts and shambles. More money for the rich. Less money for anyone else. Less equality, more division. Not sure why they want it but they do.

you mean vote for Momentum?

Anyway, Jezzer's youthquake has been found to be a myth. Younger voters were still much less likely to vote, older voters much more so.

Older voters have usually worked hard, earned more and therefore have more to lose and will vote Tory.

- Soaring debt. Just off the hook really.

Sorry, makeourfuture, but for a momentumist to criticise the Tories for this is just laughable.

well said, Elton!

Vote Tory if:

• this is the biggest and only issue that matters to you
• you believe Tory polices on this issue are better
• you are very rich and / or unlikely to ever need healthcare

If make is who he claims to be, he's probably never lived here under a labour government. Easy to be wide eyed and idealistic about it when you're from the land of bush and trump!

(Not to denigrate America. I bloody love America, wish I'd had the chance to live there for a bit. But the republicans over there make the tories look like utopia!

lifebegins but the finding that ‘youthquake’ is a myth shows lots of older people must be turning away from voting Tory. Nhs was a key factor for many would be Tory voters that I know. They just couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a party that is so obviously intent on running it into the ground.

They just couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a party that is so obviously intent on running it into the ground.

If you think that is true go and have a look at the real term funding figures. They have increased real term (so taking into account inflation) every year.

If you want to know who caused the most damage to the NHS?

Who introduced privatisation of the NHS by putting services out to tender to the private sector?

Labour, 2008.

What is causing the NHS's biggest problem at the moment?

PFI schemes. £300 billion in PFI debt.

Trusts pay out hundreds of millions to service these debts before they see a single patient on their budget.

Schemes which should have cost £1bn if financed from the public coffers will end up costing £7bn.

And who set these schemes up?

Labour, Labour, Labour, Labour.

Much as the left tries to talk up this 'Tories are trying to destroy the NHS' slogan, almost all of the NHS's current problems and most of the privatisation so far is down to Labour.

Nhs was a key factor for many would be Tory voters that I know.

Looking at most polls, the NHS had sod all to do with it. It was more to do with May's dreadful agenda and the 'dementia tax' in particular. It was a particularly stupid thing to put in a manifesto, particularly when the alternative was JC's 'Free everything! (Just don't ask me how we're going to pay for it)'.