To think this delusional dirty pervert should stay exactly where he is and starve if that's what he wants?

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There is currently a delightful person on hunger strike because the prison service won't "recognise their gender" and send them to a women's prison.

see here

Nobody seems to want to mention the fact that they are in fact a sex offender and voyeur who broke into teenage girls bedrooms to wank into their underwear

Why the hell they think they should be in a women's prison is completely beyond me. Anyone able to enlighten me?

Human rights only apply when you approve of the human, eh?

Is that why you're happy for someone who has committed sexual offences against women and girls to be moved to a women's prison then? Because you don't recognise the human right of the women in there not to be raped?

Oh, Annie, what a boringly predictable response. Human rights only apply when you approve of the human, eh?

@sinceyouask exactly what human rights is this sex offender being denied? Exactly what human rights have I said this sex offender should not have?

(I don't expect sinceyouask to be able to answer either of these questions, btw, nor do I expect them to even try.)

Perhaps one solution would be that he continues to eat and drink as normal, but identifies as being on hunger strike? Or for the prison to identify as a women's prison, that should sort it.

sinceyouask off you trot then, back to Enablingsexualpredators.com, or whereever it is that you normally post.

I agree no man should ever be allowed to say I identify as a female if he has a history of sexual crimes against women. However we have had an opposite story around here where, although they have had gender reassignment surgery, as they were born a man were sentenced to spend their time at a man's prison. So essentially she was a woman in a man's prison.It just goes to show there's no one quick fix to this

goose the case you describe is not "essentially a woman in a man's prison", but "a man who had surgery in a man's prison".

I'm surprised to hear it, though. There have been enough cases of trans-identified men with intact penises being transferred to women's prisons that I am surprised to hear of one who has actually transitioned, and no longer has a penis, who hasn't.

(Unless you are thinking of Tara Hudson, who had breast implants but hung onto their penis?)

This person is not a woman. He is a man and will remain so to the end of his days regardless of what surgery he has or how straight his hair is, or how smooth his legs are.

He. Is. A. Man.

The whole 'finger of shame and I'm leaving' thing gets extremely tedious.

Since you can't be buggered to unpack your post any further shall I do some of the work for you?

Shall we assume that you are offended by Annie asking you about the victims' rights because your point is that two wrongs don't make a right, ie that you have concerns about the offenders' human rights being violated in some way? If you feel that mentioning his victims' rights is whataboutery and unfair then you can always explain that?

You might also be interested in a conversation in the Pink News comments between someone arguing on one side that :

• the offender's offending behaviour has been created entirely by his dysphoria, he has not been able to help himself due to the stress and intense emotions of it all, and his offending behaviour would be completely eradicated by putting him in a female prison where the environment itself provides therapy.

And on the other side:

• the women prisoners are people too, many of whom have been victims of sexual abuse and crime, who ethically should not be used to treat a biological male's perceived psychological wellbeing

• bearing in mind his offending history, and having been recalled to prison for offending after release for being a danger to women, the possibility has to be considered that a move to the women's estate may mean he further offends against those women and is a danger to them - again they are also people, with human rights, which include not being locked up with someone who is known to have repeatedly seriously sexually offended against women.

People airily asserting that the female estate is the right place for this sort of sexual predator who gets off on humiliating teenage girls by wearing their clothes really do show their ignorance.

Quite aside from all the other arguments about what makes a woman (and a bloke that jizzes into the knickers of teen girls does not a woman make), it betrays a total lack of knowledge about women and prison.

*There are only about 600 violent prisoners in the whole female estate.

*There is only one female prison in England capable of accommodating Category A prisoners.

*There are none in Scotland and NI. There, Category A women prisoners have to be accommodated in special units in men's prisons.

*Segregation spaces for disruptive prisoners in the women's estate are very limited. TIMs already take up a substantial proportion of them.

*In 2016, 6 women were convicted of possession of the most extreme category of pornography. 2 of those were TIMs.

*In 2016/7, 4 women were convicted of attempted murder. 2 of those were TIMs.

It's not just a matter of airily waving your hand in the air and sending all the perverts suffering so badly with their ladyfeelz to women's prisons. THERE'S NOWHERE TO PUT THEM. And it will turn the entire women's estate on its head. Anyone think it likely the government are going invest tens of millions of pounds to more comfortably accommodate the 60-odd trans-identifying sex offenders currently occupying the male estate? Cos I don't.

Bloody hell those stats are frightening @LangCleg. Where did they come from?

the offender's offending behaviour has been created entirely by his dysphoria, he has not been able to help himself due to the stress and intense emotions of it all, and his offending behaviour would be completely eradicated by putting him in a female prison where the environment itself provides therapy

Yes, I was expecting that Odd, isn't it, that the narrative follows such a predictable pattern:

• How dare you suggest TIM's will abuse if put in womens' jails? It simply doesn't happen
• There are claims it's happened, but I'm not aware of any myself
• Yes so it's happened, but it's only a tiny minority so shouldn't affect policy
• Okay so it's more than we thought, but it's all society's fault for not giving them what they need

CapnHaddock

I got the attempted murder and extreme porn numbers from a radfem tweeter.

The 600 or so is based on 85% of women being in prison for non-violent offences vs a total female population of well under 5,000. Just an extrapolation from various Fair Play For Women posts.

The stuff about the constitution of the female estate you can get anywhere - even Wikipedia! ;)

But when you actually realise this stuff - that women commit dangerous crimes in such tiny numbers that there is next to no provision for them in the female estate, you see two things. One, the debate about where TIMs should go is pointless because there's nowhere to put them. And two, TIM offenders are not suffering angels brought low by their ladyfeelz - they are MEN, with offending patterns that belong to MEN.

Thank you for the links, Datun and Archery.

*the offender's offending behaviour has been created entirely by his dysphoria, he has not been able to help himself due to the stress and intense emotions of it all, and his offending behaviour would be completely eradicated by putting him in a female prison where the environment itself provides therapy.

Holy fuck, MyUnicorn whoever posted that needs a good long look at himself. There is no pretzel too convoluted to explain men's violence, and somehow make it women's fault, is there?

MRAs, including those on the Pink News site, are the real man-haters, aren't they? "He has not been able to help himself" indeed. It comes to something when it's feminists at the forefront of saying no, men are capable of better behaviour than this.

@Puzzled

You forgot "therefore TERFs are responsible for this person's crimes, since it's their fault that society isn't more accepting of "her" gender identity."

I'm near the top of that top tweets list. I only really use Twitter for news and don't tweet often. I'm shocked at the reaction my tweet has had all from total strangers but it just goes to show the strength of feeling on the issue

The New Statesman have got it spot on:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/01/marie-dean-story-shows-there-s-no-simple-answer-how-we-treat-transgender

Brilliant article by Sarah Ditum in the Staggers.

Brilliant article, hurrah! Was brave and shared it on FB

Excellent article.

Or for the prison to identify as a women's prison, that should sort it.

Given the person up thread who said that Scottish and Irish Category A female prisoners are held in wings of male prison just tell him that the room he’s in is a female prison.

If, and it is a huge if, he were transferred to a female prison he would need to be in solitary for the safety of the other women. So what difference would it make?

Another thought.
If it was decided that people would be held in the prison which matched their chosen gender rather than their birth one this would mean that transmen could be subject to personal searches by male staff.
The thought of a young transman being searched by a male guard makes me want to weep.

You forgot "therefore TERFs are responsible for this person's crimes, since it's their fault that society isn't more accepting of "her" gender identity."

You're quite right and that was foolish of me

Trouble is, I find that dwelling on too many of these ludicrous remarks causes a loss of the will to live ...

Another trans-identified male imprisoned today in a men's prison - Remember the name(s) and the details of the crimes for when the Guardian and the Pink Paper try to spin this as some poor, defenceless, vulnerable lady who wouldn't harm a fly.

www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/transgender-woman-jailed-sex-offences-1134486

I fancy his hunger strike will go something like this:

"I may LOOK like I'm wolfing down a fish tea with mushy peas but in actual fact I FEEL like I'm fasting therefore I AM fasting.".

Expect at least a two stone weight gain during his "fast".