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The one in which Trump orders his staff to fire Mueller, and they give him the finger

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PerkingFaintly · 26/01/2018 12:14

Apparently this has already happened, back in July 2017. Shock

But the orange one try again...

Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit
www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html

Coverage by Maddow: twitter.com/maddow?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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TheClaws · 28/01/2018 22:20

I’m sorry. I know I repost Fox News frequently, but in my defence I like to keep an eye on the propaganda arm of the White House, particularly as it becomes ever more lost. I don’t much like the implications of this tweet.

Fox News @FoxNews
6m6 minutes ago
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.@toddstarnes: If @NancyPelosi brings 'Dreamers' to the State of the Union, @realDonaldTrump should bring ICE agents

GingerIvy · 28/01/2018 22:31

Owen Jones 🌹

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@OwenJones84
6m6 minutes ago
Apparently Donald Trump wants Theresa May to ban protests against his visit.

Going to take that lying down? Sign up to protest against him here - and RT everywhere >> www.facebook.com/events/144340712883728/

#TrumpMorgan pic.twitter.com/7b2NDE4TQK

22K going, 62K interested. And it's not until October.....

lionheart · 28/01/2018 22:32

Blimey. It's a good defence, though Claws. Smile

www.newsweek.com/trump-could-get-caught-if-mueller-asks-whether-he-wanted-fire-him-791729

lionheart · 28/01/2018 22:42

I did not know this about Mueller (posted by a former FBI special agent).

Asha Rangappa

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21h21 hours ago

As Director, Robert Mueller began the practice of sending every new agent class @FBI to the Holocaust Museum to understand what happens when police become complicit in authoritarian regimes.

cozietoesie · 28/01/2018 23:56

Mueller has a Bronxe Star and a Purple Heart doesn't he?

cozietoesie · 28/01/2018 23:57

Sorry. Bronze........

cozietoesie · 29/01/2018 01:59

In fact, I seem to recall that he's previously linked Vietnam (and those who died there) to his desire to contribute/serve.

I think he'll take whatever action is appropriate.

lionheart · 29/01/2018 06:16

Yes, he does.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 29/01/2018 08:09

If like me you couldn't bear to watch the Smarmy and Twitler interview, then John Crace's column in the Guardian is probably all you need to know.

Narcissistic buddies meet in the Piers and Donald show
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/29/narcissistic-buddies-meet-in-the-piers-and-donald-show?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

TheNorthWestPawsage · 29/01/2018 08:35
Hmm Omarosa Goes From White House to Cast of 'Celebrity Big Brother' www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/celebrity-big-brother-omarosa-brandi-glanville-sugar-ray-cast-revealead-1079229
Lweji · 29/01/2018 09:33

Onarosa will probably find the BB mates quiet, helpful, truthful, nice, etc by comparison.

GingerIvy · 29/01/2018 09:57

Brian Schatz

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15h15 hours ago
They are demanding the creation of a federal deportation force across the country. Local law enforcement should be targeting actual crimes, not asking people for their papers. I’m a hard NO on that.

Natsku · 29/01/2018 10:07

I'd like to see May try to ban protests against Trump! Not a chance!

GingerIvy · 29/01/2018 10:16

There are now 23K planning on going, 63K interested in going.hahaha

He can make history by having the "bigliest protest against him." Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/01/2018 12:22

Comey also continued that practice, lion.

Rod Rosenstein could be next #ReleaseTheMemo target

www.axios.com/rosenstein-release-the-memo-fisa-carter-page-c64dc8ff-5b1c-4012-98f3-4bc17d463e20.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/01/2018 12:26

Adam Goldman‏Verified account
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Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein approved an application to extend surveillance of a former Trump campaign associate shortly after taking office last spring.

www.nytimes.com/2018/01/28/us/politics/rod-rosenstein-carter-page-secret-memo.html

Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
"The renewal shows that the Justice Department under President Trump saw reason to believe that the associate, Carter Page, was acting as a Russian agent."

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/01/2018 12:27

It's been quite hilarious/scary seeing him ramble on about how he won't sleep until it's been resolved

Talking Points Memo
@TPM
Sean Hannity's Twitter account compromised, followers blame "deep state" bit.ly/2Grfnfq

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/01/2018 12:28

Preet Bharara
@PreetBharara
Rule of law matters. Former Republican Governor Christine Todd Whitman, @GovCTW, and I announce a new task force in wake of Trump abuses with @BrennanCenter @USATODAY

Trump abuses show we must turn traditions into laws: Bharara and Whitman

www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/01/29/trump-abuses-show-we-must-turn-traditions-into-laws-preet-bharara-christine-todd-whitman-column/1063619001/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/01/2018 12:29

Olga_Lautman NYC ✨
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Holy hell!!

Russian sanctioned gas arrived to Boston with another tanker preparing for shipment defying US Sanctions...

Corruption not even being hidden and Russia getting zero punishment for interference in our election and the continuing assault on Ukraine

twitter.com/olgaNYC1211/status/957836630051745797

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/01/2018 12:29

Mike Memoli‏Verified account
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The Kochs are set to provide air cover to GOP on tax reform in a way Dems never had on Obamacare in ‘10

www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/gop-tax-cut-victory-fuels-koch-group-s-midterm-election-n841806

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/01/2018 12:30

Sam Levine
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Missed this on Friday — PA Gov. Tom Wolf is bringing on Moon Duchin, a Tufts math professor who has led push to use mathematics as a valuable tool to evaluate gerrymandering, to help evaluate new court-ordered congressional map

www.governor.pa.gov/governor-wolf-enlist-non-partisan-mathematician-evaluate-fairness-redistricting-maps/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/01/2018 12:32

Will Saletan
@saletan
On Fox, Trey Gowdy says Trump would be justified in refusing to answer Mueller's questions, because House Democrats aren't a "fair jury." fxn.ws/2DIypw9

WALLACE: As a practical matter, does the president have any choice, doesn't he really, in effect, have to sit down with a special counsel for an interview? And let me ask you this, as a former federal prosecutor, when he does that interview, how dangerous is that legally for the president?

GOWDY: Well, I don't know what he's going to say. And I don't know what he knows. So I can't address how dangerous it is. If there's no collusion and if there's no obstruction of justice, there's not much danger.

There are two aspects to this, Chris. There's the legal aspect. And the former prosecutor in me wants him to testify because he is uniquely well situated to answer certain questions. The conversations between he and Comey, there are only two people in those conversations. We've already heard Director Comey's side of it. If there's another side, we need to hear it. That's the legal part. So I wanted him to testify from a legal standpoint.

But let's don't kid ourselves. There is a political component to it. Twice now, over 50 of my House Democratic colleagues have voted to move forward with impeachment. Twice, before he's answered a single, solitary question from Bob Mueller. Over 50 twice and said he should be impeached, and that's without answering a single question.

Adam Schiff, who's the ranking member on the Intelligence Committee, said he had evidence of collusion before we even began the investigation. So the politics of it is, I don't think he's got a fair jury. I do think he has a fair investigator. I think he's got a fair prosecutor in Bob Mueller, but he doesn't have a fair jury and he's going to have to decide whether the legal part outweighs the political part.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/01/2018 12:33

Well that's reassuring

Facebook warns that it can offer no assurance that social media is on balance good for democracy.

www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-politics/facebook-says-it-cant-guarantee-social-media-is-good-for-democracy-idUSKBN1FB14G

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/01/2018 12:37

There were big protests against Putin yesterday, though the government did their best to shut it down.

Alex Kokcharov‏
@AlexKokcharov
In #Moscow, #Russia, dozens of riot #police buses are parked in central locations ahead of the upcoming #protest by @Navalny supporters later today:
МБХ Медиа

twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/957526072152780800

Bill Browder
@Billbrowder
Look at this endless stream of riot police buses and trucks in Moscow in advance of the Navalny protests today. Not exactly the sign of a self confident popular regime

And

Bill Browder
@Billbrowder
The scariest words Putin could ever hear from young protesters in Moscow: “I’m ready to be shot if it come to it”. Not much he can do if that becomes the collective thinking.

themoscowtimes.com/articles/russias-youth-takes-the-lead-in-countrywide-protests-against-putin-60309

And

X Soviet
@XSovietNews
Navalny's campaign coordinator in Kemerovo Ksenia Pakhomova says she has been dragged out of a taxi and detained ahead of protest.

And

Steve Rosenberg
@BBCSteveR
Supporters of Alexei Navalny fill Pushkin Square in central Moscow. They're chanting "Putin's a thief!", "Down with the Kremlin!" & "Freedom to Navalny".

twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/957592714035519488

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