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The one in which Trump orders his staff to fire Mueller, and they give him the finger

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PerkingFaintly · 26/01/2018 12:14

Apparently this has already happened, back in July 2017. Shock

But the orange one try again...

Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit
www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html

Coverage by Maddow: twitter.com/maddow?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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GingerIvy · 31/01/2018 21:14

Raw Story

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Devin Nunes could face obstruction charges: Expert says colluding with White House nullifies congressional immunity www.rawstory.com/2018/01/nunes-face-obstruction-charges-expert-says-colluding-white-house-nullifies-congressional-immunity/

GingerIvy · 31/01/2018 21:20

Caroline O.

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8m8 minutes ago
#BREAKING: During a private meeting in December, Trump asked Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein if he was "on my team."

Trump then offered congressional Republicans a list of questions they should ask Rosentein during his testimony

cnn.it/2nvcq4P

cozietoesie · 31/01/2018 21:20

That's speculation, I fear, Ginger.

cozietoesie · 31/01/2018 21:22

Sorry. I was referring to the Nunes business.

GingerIvy · 31/01/2018 21:27

cozie true, but one can hope.

GingerIvy · 31/01/2018 21:27

EssenViews/Commentary

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Trump embarrassed as first State of the Union falls 8 million viewers short of Obama’s shareblue.com/trump-embarrassed-as-first-state-of-the-union-falls-8-million-viewers-short-of-obamas/#.WnI0rDW1RpQ.twitter … via @shareblue

GingerIvy · 31/01/2018 21:31

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JUST IN: Congressional Budget Office has issued a report advising Congress to consider raising the debt ceiling earlier than anticipated to account for the revenue loss brought upon by the GOP tax legislation.

GingerIvy · 31/01/2018 21:32

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The transcript is out of Monday’s House Intelligence Committee meeting where the committee voted to release the Nunes memo. bit.ly/2E1srJV

GingerIvy · 31/01/2018 21:37

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I was in WV a few months ago & I spoke to the WV Chamber of Commerce. @Sen_JoeManchin was there – & I looked him in the eye and I told him, “Joe, the people of the Mountain State are counting on you,” so let’s “get this tax cut done together.” But #JoeVotedNo.

1:26 PM - 31 Jan 2018

(actually long ranting thread, but I'm too lazy to copy/paste itall)

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  1. This is what all Joe Manchin’s SOTU praise and respectful applause earned him.
cozietoesie · 31/01/2018 21:38

McConnell's face last night was (generally) a picture. Every time 45 said something like 'I'm going to issue an instruction to Congress telling them to .........'.

OuaisMaisBon · 31/01/2018 21:42

Just randomly throwing in the happy fact that were I resident in England, Ben Bradshaw would be my MP. (I am now without representation in the sand-pit, but neither am I taxed (allegedly).)

Pain, I only read the local papers for things like Ramadan timings and public holidays and road closures. All else is gleaned by other means. But at least we know what to expect, as no-one pretends we live in a democracy rather than a dictatorship, unlike elsewhere..

cozietoesie · 01/02/2018 01:36

Oh Dear. A CNN Money piece.

Steve Wynn probe

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/02/2018 03:48

Recusal is obviously a word that nunes has a different take on

Adam Schiff
@RepAdamSchiff
BREAKING: Discovered late tonight that Chairman Nunes made material changes to the memo he sent to White House – changes not approved by the Committee. White House therefore reviewing a document the Committee has not approved for release.

Jonathan Swan
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Trump's plan had been to release the memo tomorrow. This, if true, could delay the release.

The one in which Trump orders his staff to fire Mueller, and they give him the finger
The one in which Trump orders his staff to fire Mueller, and they give him the finger
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/02/2018 03:52

This was from before the nunes news:

Evan McMurry
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Replying to @ABC
NEW: House Intelligence Committee Chair Devin Nunes: "It’s no surprise to see the FBI and DOJ issue spurious objections to allowing the American people to see information related to surveillance abuses at these agencies.": abcn.ws/2FxUuxO

Eric Boehlert
@EricBoehlert
where this is all going -- it's being directed from the WH bc Trump attorney's are going to eventually point to FBI "scandal" as reason for why Trump wont' sit w/ Mueller.

they know Trump cannot answer Mueller questions w/o committing perjury. so they'll do ANYTHING, including trying to dismantle FBI, to prevent that from happening.

in the end, judge will order Trump to testify

like Nixon, Trump will try to hide in the courts.

like Nixon, it won't work

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/02/2018 04:00

Mueller Zeros In on Story Put Together About Trump Tower Meeting

<a class="break-all" href="https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/us/politics/trump-russia-hope-hicks-mueller.html?referer=t.co/dUli4MtapG?amp=1#click=t.co/dUli4MtapG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/us/politics/trump-russia-hope-hicks-mueller.html?referer=t.co/dUli4MtapG?amp=1#click=t.co/dUli4MtapG

Mr. Corallo is planning to tell Mr. Mueller about a previously undisclosed conference call with Mr. Trump and Hope Hicks, the White House communications director, according to the three people. Mr. Corallo planned to tell investigators that Ms. Hicks said during the call that emails written by Donald Trump Jr. before the Trump Tower meeting — in which the younger Mr. Trump said he was eager to receive political dirt about Mrs. Clinton from the Russians — “will never get out.” That left Mr. Corallo with concerns that Ms. Hicks could be contemplating obstructing justice, the people said.

And also in the piece

According to his account, Ms. Hicks responded that the emails “will never get out” because only a few people had access to them. Mr. Corallo, who worked as a Justice Department spokesman during the George W. Bush administration, told colleagues he was alarmed not only by what Ms. Hicks had said — either she was being naïve or was suggesting that the emails could be withheld from investigators — but also that she had said it in front of the president without a lawyer on the phone and that the conversation could not be protected by attorney-client privilege.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/02/2018 04:06

I meant to say thanks across for the breakdown of resignations.

Grassley’s urging Gowdy to stay on - is that just him being polite to a colleague?

ChuckGrassley
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Some friends of Trey Gowdy need talk him out of retiring. America needs a smart forceful congressman like him

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/02/2018 04:09

Ron Wyden
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If this memo comes out, I have a long list of less sensitive, but still classified, information that the American people deserve to see. #secretlaw

Preet Bharara
@PreetBharara
This is how it will go

And

Matthew Miller
@matthewamiller
Aside from being completely unethical and possibly illegal, Trump's interference with DOJ on the Nunes memo was also a major tactical mistake. Let a thousand leaks flow.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/02/2018 04:15

Chiefs Of Three Russian Intelligence Agencies Travel To Washington

www.rferl.org/amp/russia-spy-chiefs-washington/29010324.html?__twitter_impression=true

WASHINGTON -- The directors of Russia’s three main intelligence and espionage agencies all traveled to the U.S. capital in recent days, in what observers said was a highly unusual occurrence coming at a time of heightened U.S.-Russian tensions.

Russia’s ambassador to the United States had earlier confirmed that Sergei Naryshkin, the head of the foreign intelligence service SVR, was in Washington in recent days to meet with U.S. officials about terrorism and other matters.

But the presence of the two other chiefs Aleksandr Bortnikov, director of the Federal Security Service, or FSB; and Lieutenant General Igor Korobov, chief of Russian General Staff’s Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU was not previously known.

The Washington Post said January 31 that Bortnikov and Korobov came to the U.S. capital last week, and that Bortnikov had met with CIA Director Mike Pompeo, as did Naryshkin.

[...]CIA directors regularly meet and hold talks with their Russian counterparts on a variety of issues. But veteran and retired U.S. intelligence officers said the presence of all three Russian officials in Washington at the same time, and at a time of intense scrutiny over Russia’s alleged interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, is highly unusual.

“I can’t recall any time in the last 15 years” that all three Russian agency chiefs were in the U.S. capital at the same time, Steven Hall, a former CIA station chief in Moscow, told RFE/RL. “It’s highly unusual.”

thebewilderness · 01/02/2018 04:59

You don't suppose Russia is going to cut bait?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/02/2018 07:11

Speculation alert: I would guess they’re doubling down, maybe even making assurances for 2018 elections. They’re openly flaunting sanctions, which along with sowing chaos, appear to be top priorities. I don’t know why they would cut and run now.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/02/2018 07:15

Olga_Lautman NYC ✨
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Putin is behaving so bold it’s insane..

Putin is now bragging about Russian gas deliveries to the US completely w @realDonaldTrump completely disregarding Russian sanctions!

Sanctioned criminal Timchenko is involved in the project and has always been known as Putin’s money man.

m.kp.ru/daily/26789.4/…
I have watched Russian politics my whole life and the brazenness of Russia’s actions towards America is unprecedented.. they are taking bold actions because they feel comfortable w their team assembled in the WH and GOP

@RepAdamSchiff @RepSwalwell @HallieJackson @SRuhle please look into this because this is unprecedented and I’m pretty sure breaking many laws

Gennady Timchenko used to head Gunvor and is one of Putin’s closest confidants who in Russia is considered to be in charge of moving Putin’s money around. He is also very tied to the Russian mafia. Timchenko used Gunvor for money laundering and was sanctioned in 2014 for Crimea

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/02/2018 07:31

FOrgot to attach the pictures

OuaisMaisBon · 01/02/2018 07:31

I presume others have remarked that in fact, Trump's and Putin's fascist politics and moral sensibilities are more aligned with each other than they are with Trump's political opponents in the US?