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Argument between DH and DF - I'm stuck in the middle!

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lirpaloof · 26/01/2018 09:53

A few months ago my dad got into a row with DH at our house (I was out). DH told my dad to leave and he wasn't welcome back until he apologised. My dad lives a long way away so only visits twice a year and would usually stay with us.

The row was due to my dad challenging an aspect of DH's behaviour which DH thinks is fine, my dad does not, and I find annoying but have just accepted over the years (think amount of time spent on hobbies, along those lines). DH raised the subject initially, things got heated, my dad tried to end the discussion in a "let's agree to disagree" way several times but DH wouldn't let it go.

DH was stressed at the time so admits he probably over reacted and my dad has form for saying what he thinks even if it's not great timing. My dad was really shaken up about how everything got so out of hand but won't apologise as he still holds the same view about DH's behaviour.

I wanted to stay out of it but DH says he needed to know which 'side' I'm on. I said that the argument was between him and my dad, it's just a matter of differing opinions and there is no right or wrong. It caused a row between us and I reluctantly ended up telling DH that I agreed with him just to keep the peace. I don't see my dad that often so it just seemed easier.

Fast forward a few months and my dad is coming to visit but staying at a hotel. It's brought up the whole argument again and DH is saying that he would be justified in thinking I'm siding with my dad if I see him and that I'm an unsupportive wife. He's not actually said that's what he thinks, just that he would have grounds to, implying that I should be grateful he doesn't think that way. He said if any of his family members treated me as my dad had treated him he would demand an apology from them and go NC if they refused.

AIBU to try to remain neutral and continue seeing my dad? Is DH BU in forcing me to take sides?

OP posts:
MerryMarigold · 26/01/2018 13:30

Thanks for clarifying OP. I think one thing that would help you have an opinion on this matter would be: was it your dad or dh acting out of love for you in their disagreement? To me, this is not about 2 differences of opinion, it is about 2 different motivations. Whose motivation do you agree with? Combined with that, the fact you tolerate what many wouldn't in order to keep the peace is very worrying and I'm sure your dad is aware of this. All the signs point to your dad being right and dh not wanting you to have your dad's support as it directly highlights his often selfishness and lack of love/ consideration for you.

MerryMarigold · 26/01/2018 13:33

Although I can see why you wouldn't rock the boat with your dh. He yells at your dad and bans him from the house because be won't agree with him. If you were going to be treated like that, it's not surprising you are afraid of him (you're not afraid of conflict, you're afraid of him).

AnnieAnoniMouse · 26/01/2018 13:52

You agree with your Dad’s POV.

You ‘keep the peace’ with your DH.

Your DH brought it up.

Your Dad tried to ‘agree to disagree’.

You DH refused that’s saw his arse and told your Dad to leave when he was staying with you.

Your DH is now pretty much saying you need to be ‘a loyal wife’ and be ‘on his side’.

Your DH is prioritising helping friends out (for years) over doing up your own house.

...YOU need to find your voice here! Tell your DH he does not have grounds for banning your Dad from your home, let alone stopping you seeing him. Tell him to pull his head in, acknowledge his lack of interest in your home IS pissing you off and that apologising to your Dad is not negotiable if he wants to stay married to you.

Your Dad is not at fault here in any way.

umizoomi · 26/01/2018 13:56

@PiffleandWiffle of course he doesn't have the right over a trivial argument! It's the OP's house too and how would her H feel if the OP banned his family?

Yes you may make yourself scarce but banning your FIL from your house his only going to hurt your partner. Why would you do that to the person you supposedly love? It would have to be pretty major to get to that point

lirpaloof · 26/01/2018 14:04

Thank you all for your replies. I can see that there is a lot more to this than the argument itself. I do need to be more assertive with DH as he can be quite controlling and always needing people to agree with him. Obviously agreeing with him for peace and quiet is not the way to go and I need to communicate my feelings more assertively in future. I will continue to stay in contact with my dad and if DH still insists I take a side, well, he's going to get a shock. Thanks again for all your comments, it really has been useful.

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TheNoodlesIncident · 26/01/2018 14:04

Your dad thinks you deserve better. I agree with that, and probably majority of the pp do too.

Your dad has had to stand by and watch his DD treated like shit for years. I'm really impressed that his worst behaviour has been shouting tbh.

Your husband's behaviour is repellant; your dad's is not - he at least is looking out for you.

AnnieAnoniMouse · 26/01/2018 14:07

I’m glad you’ve seen that things need to change, but...

I will continue to stay in contact with my Dad

^^. That’s it?

You’re not going to insist your DH apologises & tells him that he wants him to come and stay and not stay in the hotel?

Nanny0gg · 26/01/2018 14:08

I will continue to stay in contact with my dad and if DH still insists I take a side, well, he's going to get a shock.

And what are the likely repercussions of that?

lirpaloof · 26/01/2018 14:21

There is no way DH will apologise to my dad and my dad has said he won't stay until DH apologises. It would be incredibly uncomfortable for everyone if I insisted my dad stayed and DH very rarely goes away for whole weekends.

NannyOgg - I expect DH will be very angry that I'm not on his side but what can he do? He can't throw ME out of the house just because I don't agree with him.

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hellsbellsmelons · 26/01/2018 14:22

I was about to say exactly the as Jux
And you now OP that you need to stop being so passive in your own life.
Stand up for what you want and belie've in.
Stop changed that for a 'man'!!!! (child!)

hellsbellsmelons · 26/01/2018 14:23

Oh dear - my English just got proper rubbish - Grin

RockinHippy · 26/01/2018 14:27

Just be careful your DH isn't game playing. There's nothing a bullying abuser likes more than to separate their victim from their support network & I'm afraid your DH does sound to fit that mould

ImListening · 26/01/2018 14:50

I know you’ve said that you don’t plan on having kids together. Please make sure that never ever happens. If he treats you like this, what in earth will he do it any kids you may have. Remember your dad has your back, utterly & completely.

mygorgeousmilo · 26/01/2018 14:52

Why wait until he insists? You need to be more assertive, and to tell him your thoughts on his behaviour. Stick up for yourself and for your dad. What redeeming features does your DH actually have? He sounds nasty.

Jux · 26/01/2018 14:58

Please read the opening post by Reality on that stickied thread. Here's a direct link: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/698029-Right-listen-up-everybody

There's a short paragraph towards the end which I think you need to think very hard about. Maybe even discuss it with your dad. It is Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected.... Think about that.

mygorgeousmilo · 26/01/2018 15:04

Agree with Jux
Life’s too short to “tolerate” someone.

NameChange30 · 26/01/2018 15:16

You are married to a controlling bully and it doesn’t seem to bother you Confused

What was your parents’ relationship like?

ButchyRestingFace · 26/01/2018 15:38

I do agree with my dad, just not enough to create an argument about it.

What's to argue about? Does your house need DIY-ing or not?

If it does, there's nothing to argue about. It needs to get done. Your husband should stop fannying about and get to it, either with your help or the professionals.

Italiangreyhound · 26/01/2018 18:35

"My dad's view is that DH should be improving our house first. I have got used to living in a house where everything is falling to bits but obviously my dad sees it with fresh eyes every time he visits"

And your husband falls even farther on y estimation! He is not prioritizing friends over himself but over you and you and him together. For four years!

Can I be really nosy and ask if no kids is a join decision made equally? Don't answer if you do not want to.

Goldmandra · 26/01/2018 18:43

He can't throw ME out of the house just because I don't agree with him.

You need to be ready for him to get very angry or act very hurt. If he is used to you accepting his need to control, he may be prepared to escalate his behaviour in order to get it. This could come in the form of persuading you that you are causing him terrible emotional pain in order to make you feel too guilty to stand up for yourself.

Nanny0gg · 26/01/2018 18:44

NannyOgg - I expect DH will be very angry that I'm not on his side but what can he do? He can't throw ME out of the house just because I don't agree with him.

That's not answering the question, really. Will you get the cold shoulder? Will he shout and carry on? Storm off?
What does anger mean with him?

Italiangreyhound · 26/01/2018 18:46

This makes me wonder how much control your not so dear husband has over your life choices!

"... do tend to keep quiet about a lot of things just to keep the peace. I am quite a laid back person and I suppose I just go along with things for an easy life, especially if I don't consider it a big deal in the greater scheme of things."

If you feel he is abusive to you personally please do call women's aid. It sounds like he is a knob and nothing at all you have said has redeamed him my eyes. If he can treat your father like that how does he treat you?

Italiangreyhound · 26/01/2018 18:53

Excellent points from Goldmandra and Nanny0gg.

Plus the post about the state of the house, repeated two pages up. Very good.

OP roughly old are you? Please?

My dear friend lived for years in a home her partner was "doing up". Never finished the job. Eventually on to another home neading even more work.

Her children are almost adults and grew up their whole lives prety much been spent in homes that were being done up. Tools lying around, could not invite friends with small children over. It has tested their marriage almost to breaking point. They have been together two decades and no sign of change!

PiffleandWiffle · 26/01/2018 20:09

I think your DH needs to stop creating further drama and get on with a bit of DIY at home.

Am I missing something? Is there a reason the OP can't get on with a bit of DIY?

Men aren't born with screwdrivers in their hands you know.

Sitting & waiting for someone to do something for years, yet not doing anything about it yourself hasn't been the best approach has it?

Plus, it may shame the husband into doing something.....

WheresTheHooferDoofer · 26/01/2018 20:40

Jux It was coming across that thread under another name that made me start thinking about my relationship with ex, about a couple of years ago.

It helped me to see my rlationship for what it was, and if I start dating again, it'll be helping me again to avoid any other jerks.

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